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MikeRox on 24 January 2016

Agree totally. Wii U owners are owed nothing. And looking on here, it seems scraps of almost anything now satisfy as something to look forward to just because they happen to be releasing on Wii U.

SEGA keep getting thrown up as a reason Nintendo need to ride out Wii U as long as possible. But SEGA made far more mistakes than just moving on when things weren't working.

Zelda U being exclusive is a waste of development budget and resources IMO.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

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Soundwave on 24 January 2016

Yeah Tomodachi did well especially in Japan but it's similar to Animal Crossing in some ways. In NA/Europe it did so-so no where close to what like Brain Training did back in the day.

Animal Crossing and Tomodachi did well, specifically in Japan, but I think these were primarily just selling to the core audience Nintendo always had.

Brain Training 3DS, Nintendogs + cats, Nintendo Land, Wii Fit U, Style Savvy, Game & Wario, Sing Party, Mario & Sonic Olympics, were all sales disappointments some them being full on flops. Wii Sports Club also wasn't a big hit.

Nintendo bet hard on that audience coming back for them, when they didn't, they basically knew they were fucked especially with Wii U. 



MikeRox on 24 January 2016
danielrdp said:

I agree with everything you said. However I would be really dissapointed if I'd just bought Zelda U, and Nintendo announced an improved Nx version. I'd rather wait for the NX version than buy the game twice or the not as shining Wii U wersion. If they decide that Zelda U is a cross-gen game, it's better to let the costumers know when the Wii U game launches.     

 


I could see that being annoying. Hopefully they'll announce that it's cross gen before it releases to avoid that.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

oniyide on 24 January 2016
spurgeonryan said:
Not privileged, but they are not making any friends by their actions against core fans.

The they totally ignored us with the Wii. Went after casuals and even some of their biggest franchise's catered towards them as well. Skyward Sword forced the wiimote on us just to prove to core gamers that it was a good controller.

Then we have the Wii U. Back to core support........then they try to kill it as soon as possible and expect us to play Mario 2D HD NX or some other rehash?
Yes, we are not privileged, but screw them if they do not treat us right.

Sony is treating many right and even you cannot deny that. 30 million PS4 owners don't lie.

I know personally, if they do not support the Wii U till the end, will not be buying the NX anywhere near launch.

im not the biggest Wii fan at all, but this is not even remotely true. Ninty made the games they usually made, what did the Wii miss? Now i guess you can say that the games they made catered more to them, but how? DKC Returns was pretty hardcore, 2 3d Marios, which was mostly bought by core gamers. 

They're are killing it because it is flopping, they are supposed to keep failing to make YOU feel good?

Sony is just a global beast, PS3 proved that as despite the screw ups it still managed to do 80+, its almost not fair to compare.





oniyide on 24 January 2016
spurgeonryan said:
oniyide said:
spurgeonryan said:
Not privileged, but they are not making any friends by their actions against core fans.

The they totally ignored us with the Wii. Went after casuals and even some of their biggest franchise's catered towards them as well. Skyward Sword forced the wiimote on us just to prove to core gamers that it was a good controller.

Then we have the Wii U. Back to core support........then they try to kill it as soon as possible and expect us to play Mario 2D HD NX or some other rehash?
Yes, we are not privileged, but screw them if they do not treat us right.

Sony is treating many right and even you cannot deny that. 30 million PS4 owners don't lie.

I know personally, if they do not support the Wii U till the end, will not be buying the NX anywhere near launch.

im not the biggest Wii fan at all, but this is not even remotely true. Ninty made the games they usually made, what did the Wii miss? Now i guess you can say that the games they made catered more to them, but how? DKC Returns was pretty hardcore, 2 3d Marios, which was mostly bought by core gamers. 

They're are killing it because it is flopping, they are supposed to keep failing to make YOU feel good?

Sony is just a global beast, PS3 proved that as despite the screw ups it still managed to do 80+, its almost not fair to compare.

To make me feel good? Do you understand what good customer service is? Do I expect a lot? No. But a few good games until they officially kill it is not too much to ask. You buy a gaming system.....get this, what I am going to say is amazing....expecting to buy games.

 

And they havent released enough for you? Cause if they havent thats kind of a you problem, not a Nintendo one. You gamble EVERY time you buy a game system, some of them flop some of them dont. People say Ninty didnt do this or that, but they keep buying there systems, how about stop doing that?



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Davman on 24 January 2016

I don't understand why you think things will be different with NX , they should try push more games with Wii U + a small price cut so they achieve 25-30 million sales worldwide.
And 13 million isn't small percentage because Gamecube sold 22 millions.
Wii audience gone to mobile/casual gaming so don't expect them to come back.



160rmf on 24 January 2016
Davman said:
I don't understand why you think things will be different with NX , they should try push more games with Wii U + a small price cut so they achieve 25-30 million sales worldwide.
And 13 million isn't small percentage because Gamecube sold 22 millions.
Wii audience gone to mobile/casual gaming so don't expect them to come back.

 

Because if they combine all their manpower in one device, this situation will be a lot different than with Wii U... for the best.

Imagine if you could buy 1 console on this gen and you can get: Mario Kart 8, Smash, Xenoblade X, Pikmin 3, Luigi's Mansion 2, Pokemon X/Y and all nintendo published games. That is the concept of the Nx that is being repeated in this site billions time. That's a all new situation, you can't possible believe this wouldn't make Nintendo on a better situation than the 70M+ userbase that they are now. And Imagine how it would affect their SW sales positively.

 

By the way at this point a price cut would only help to make come close to 20M and Nintendo is focusing on make NX a success, so don't expect anything big being revealed for Wii U



 

 

We reap what we sow

t3mporary_126 on 24 January 2016
Soundwave said:
spurgeonryan said:
Not privileged, but they are not making any friends by their actions against core fans.

The they totally ignored us with the Wii. Went after casuals and even some of their biggest franchise's catered towards them as well. Skyward Sword forced the wiimote on us just to prove to core gamers that it was a good controller.

Then we have the Wii U. Back to core support........then they try to kill it as soon as possible and expect us to play Mario 2D HD NX or some other rehash?
Yes, we are not privileged, but screw them if they do not treat us right.

Sony is treating many right and even you cannot deny that. 30 million PS4 owners don't lie.

I know personally, if they do not support the Wii U till the end, will not be buying the NX anywhere near launch.

 

And how is Sony treating their Vita owners? *crickets*

Sony would be treating their customers worse if the PS4 was selling like the Wii U did, they'd probably bail out on the system by year 3 like they did with the Vita, which actually has more sales than the Wii U does. 

Nintendo is at least trying and is giving most of their big gun franchises to the system. 

If you were on this board, you knew full well 3-4 months into the Wii U lifecycle that something was very wrong with the market adoption of the system anyway, if you bought it, then you bought it knowing that. That's on you. 

If you don't want to buy an NX, hey that's fine. That's a consequence of things, but at the same time as I said in another thread this line of thinking is also boiling down to just a bunch of unneccessary whining. You guys know full well the sales situation the system is in, which is *terrible* (unless you have locked yourselves into denial that it's not that bad -- NO, it IS that bad). 

Stop acting like you're in a five start resort and complaining that things are like a five star resort, when you know full well you're on a crappier three star resort. It's a bad situation, but continually whining about it just becomes annoying at some point. 

To be fair, most PS fans were never interested in the Vita anyway and most probably knew it would fail. And having a horrible handheld support is less awful when your main preference, the home console, is beating every other consoles and handhelds sales except smart devices since launch.



Wyrdness on 24 January 2016
oniyide said:
Wyrdness said:

 

A lot of you are missing his point, the casuals and such never walked away in fact many of them are still around on 3DS as Tomodachi Life showed, Nintendo just stopped catering to them this gen just to cater to gamers like yourself as they did during the GC era. Many of them would come back if they started catering to them again, the 3DS retained a few games that catered to them like AC, Tomodachi Life and even big hitters like Pokemon appeals to them but the Wii U practically flushed all games aimed at them down the drain in favour of an approach more geared to the so called core group and it resulted in another GC show.

Think of this if NX is a hybrid platform Pokemon NX alone would bring in possibly more sales then Wii U has in total right now, AC NX could bring in a total of half the amount of sales Wii U has now because these titles have far wider appeal. He's right in that you as a hardcore fan would either get NX in the long run or be replaced by 5 or so other gamers if they had stuck to catering to everyone.

if this is true why isnt 3ds doing DS or even Wii numbers? why did the 3ds version of say, Nintendogs not do anywhere near the numbers of the DS one?

 

You asked a question that's already answered and in the very part you bolded, 3DS only partially caters to non-gamers and casuals.



Wyrdness on 24 January 2016
Soundwave said:

Yeah Tomodachi did well especially in Japan but it's similar to Animal Crossing in some ways. In NA/Europe it did so-so no where close to what like Brain Training did back in the day.

Animal Crossing and Tomodachi did well, specifically in Japan, but I think these were primarily just selling to the core audience Nintendo always had.

Brain Training 3DS, Nintendogs + cats, Nintendo Land, Wii Fit U, Style Savvy, Game & Wario, Sing Party, Mario & Sonic Olympics, were all sales disappointments some them being full on flops. Wii Sports Club also wasn't a big hit.

Nintendo bet hard on that audience coming back for them, when they didn't, they basically knew they were fucked especially with Wii U. 

The mistake was not that they bet on them the mistake was how they bet on them, 3DS for a start was priced well above what any of that crowd were willing to pay, in UK it was 250 quid where as the DS was 140 at launch, 110 quid difference. Then the was the consumer confusion over the name and thirdly they never fully catered and marketed to them like with the DS and 3DS.

Instead Nintendo focused on the core group thinking that by default the blue ocean would follow when it's actually the other way round like Rol pointed out, the core group are the ones who would follow by default as their favourite IPS will be present.