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StokedUp on 20 January 2016

I'd be stunned if they announced that as an exclusive, they already lost out on so mch sales by not making it multiplat, they probably sold a quarter of what they would have by doing what they did and I believe they realise this. But to be fair, bayonetta as an exclusive won't be a system seller, the game has been forgotten about now and a number 3 won't be a system seller, however the NX is going to need some sort of exclusive to help sell the system.



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Chazore on 20 January 2016
StokedUp said:
I'd be stunned if they announced that as an exclusive, they already lost out on so mch sales by not making it multiplat, they probably sold a quarter of what they would have by doing what they did and I believe they realise this. But to be fair, bayonetta as an exclusive won't be a system seller, the game has been forgotten about now and a number 3 won't be a system seller, however the NX is going to need some sort of exclusive to help sell the system.

The first one didn't do that great compared to other multiplat games on last gen systems. Does it matter when it's not exclusive or on your system that it shuffles such emotions within you? because you sound a bit disturbed by what you say. Bayo 2 wasn't funded by Sony or MS, none of those two bothered to make a move and why would Nintendo fund a game to allow it on other plats?, I don't see MS or SOny doing the same towards their main competitors.

If you want to use the "they lost out on so many sales" then this argument can be used the same way against Sony and MS, it doesn't work as a strict one way street so lets not try twisting it that way.



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maxleresistant on 20 January 2016

No.

The chances of a Bayonetta 3 are slim, but if there is a Bayonetta 3, it will be a straight up sequel of the 2, reusing the assets and it will be on the next portable system too (wether it will be the NX or not)



potato_hamster on 20 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
potato_hamster said:
Don't be surprised if Bayonetta 3 doesn't get made. Based on its sales, and depending on its development and advertising budget I wouldn't be surprised if the game barely broke even. It could possibly have lost money for some of the parties involved.

Put it this way, Bayonetta 1 sold over 2 million copies, and that wasn't enough to make Platinum games make a sequel on its old. Bayonetta 2 sold half that.

 


But you're not taking into consideration the Smash DLC money and Amiibo money.

And what on earth does that have to do with the profitability of the game itself? Neither of these are going to directly impact the sales of Bayonetta 2.

Both can exist and sell well without anyone feeling any more encouraged greenlighting another Bayonetta title.





potato_hamster on 20 January 2016
Soundwave said:

I think it's already in early development for NX and will ramp up once Star Fox Zero wraps in a couple of months.

And no it won't be much of a shock, the brand has become associated with Nintendo.

Even though it didn't sell that great on the Wii U ... it has an out in that the Wii U was such a low selling console that software sales of games were bound to suffer.

Wonderful 102 though ... I wouldn't count on that one. But we'll see Fatal Frame and Bayonetta return next time, simply because Nintendo does need to greenlight some projects and some of them need to be aimed at building a broader userbase, so it can't all be cartoony mascot games. 


Mario Kart 8, Super Mario Bros U, Super Smash Bros U, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Window Waker, Mario Party 10, Donkey Kong Country etc. etc. etc. all would like to say "hello". Such a low selling console that software sales were bound to suffer? Tell that to any of those titles. One odd thing about Nintendo's fans is that they buy a lot of games en masse. They support Nintendo's platforms, probably stronger than any other console fan base even if no one else does. Platform sales are no excuse.





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Guitarguy on 20 January 2016

No. It is essentially a given that IF it happens, it will be a Nintendo exclusive much like the 2nd one. The shock value has gone. In fact it would be more of a meltdown if it was announced for PS4 and/or X1 and not Wii U/NX :P



potato_hamster on 20 January 2016
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I think people who played the original on PS3 or 360 being annoyed at Bayonetta 2 not being a multiplat were pretty justified in feeling that way, especially when those platforms had the larger install base and those gamers had supported the original game.

The damage is kinda done now though, what would be more annoying to those people is if Bayonetta 3 was released as a multiplat for current gen, including NX, PS4 and XBox (maybe PC too), but Bayonetta 2 didn't get a mulitplat release, because people couldn't play all 3 games unless they owned a Wii U.

It makes sense for a multiplat to go exclusive, if the platform it's exclusive on is the most dominant system and it's where that game's audience is, but to just go exclusive to attempt to entice people onto a platform they had no interest in is just BS, it's an anti-consumer practice.

Where this logic falls apart is that sometimes a game needs to be exclusive to get funded at all.

Platinum have been pretty clear that Bayonetta 2 wouldn't even have gotten made if not for Nintendo.

 

That doesn't apply to Bayonetta, not when it sold over 2 million copies across PS3 and 360. That kind of logic doesn't fall apart in this instance, it's still very logical from a business perspective. Mosty likely Bayonetta going to Wii U was the result of Platinum and Sega's relationship with Nintendo and the fact that Nintendo had more than just Bayonetta 2 for PG to develop and Sega to distribute.

We also have W101 and for Star Fox to be developed, maybe Project Guard too or any other potential PG developed Wii U or future Nintendo console exclusives.

The comments made by PG, regarding B2 not existing without Nintendo assumes that no one else was willing to invest in the game, yet we see Sony and Microsoft, along with many publishers investing in potential loss leaders.

Nier: Automata is one example that comes to mind, but that game as a franchise sold more on PS3, so it would make sense for it to be a Playstation exclusive, since the last game sold more on Playstation.

Bayonetta isn't a niche franchise, in fact it's sold less since it became a Wii U exclusive, which makes little sense, unless you consider more than just one franchise and Platinum Games or their partners thinking about more than just one game to make their money.

 

IMO Bayonetta 2 being exclusive is because of PG's relationship with Nintendo or more likely a business arrangement.

When you look at the fact that Nintendo have had 6 PG exclusives developed by the studio, next to only one for each rival platform it seems pretty clear that PG statement of B2 not getting made without Nintendo is pretty falacious. They're thinking of the wider picture and they sold Bayonetta 2 as a part of a bigger business deal.

I wouldn't be shocked if that continues to be the case.

Actually, Platinum themselves have confirmed the game would not exist without Nintendo:

http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/22/3371474/bayonetta-2-would-not-exist-without-nintendo-platinum-games-wii-u


So they claim, but what else were they going to say when they've partnered on so many other projects.

It makes no sense, because of how bayonetta sold across 360 and PS3, along with the fact that both companies are happy to invest in unproven projects. Bayonetta 2 simply wasn't that big of a risk, for either platform holder or for an external publisher to help invest in.

Shenmue 3 is getting help, Nier Automata. Deals for a bunch of new exclusives, investments in unproven projects on both Sony and MS's side show why this makes zero sense.

Have you considered that Bayonetta 1 might have lost money or barely broke even? An unproven IP could be far less of a risk than a sequel to a game that lost money, or barely made any. You know what Bayonetta 2's sales are likely to be (between 1 and 2 million). The unproven IP could have way more potential upside.

For example, let's say Sony was choosing between funding Bayonetta 2 or The Last of Us - which one of those titles sounds like it might sell better?  Shenmue 3 on the other hand had to demonstrate it still had a fanbase using a Kickstarter before Sony actually committed to funding the project. If the kickstarter flopped, that game would not be getting made. And honestly - I think Shenmue 3 is more likely to be profitable than Bayonetta 2. Yet - no one was willing to fund that outright.





bigtakilla on 20 January 2016
hentai_11 said:
bigtakilla said:

That could be true... Or the developers could be telling the truth and the game wouldn't have been made without Nintendo.

Just added a source to your claim.

http://www.tssznews.com/2015/12/29/source-ms-sony-passed-on-bayonetta-2/

Thank you.





StokedUp on 20 January 2016
Chazore said:
StokedUp said:
I'd be stunned if they announced that as an exclusive, they already lost out on so mch sales by not making it multiplat, they probably sold a quarter of what they would have by doing what they did and I believe they realise this. But to be fair, bayonetta as an exclusive won't be a system seller, the game has been forgotten about now and a number 3 won't be a system seller, however the NX is going to need some sort of exclusive to help sell the system.

The first one didn't do that great compared to other multiplat games on last gen systems. Does it matter when it's not exclusive or on your system that it shuffles such emotions within you? because you sound a bit disturbed by what you say. Bayo 2 wasn't funded by Sony or MS, none of those two bothered to make a move and why would Nintendo fund a game to allow it on other plats?, I don't see MS or SOny doing the same towards their main competitors.

If you want to use the "they lost out on so many sales" then this argument can be used the same way against Sony and MS, it doesn't work as a strict one way street so lets not try twisting it that way.

 

Haha, dude what are you typing there? Believe me mate I'm in no way fussed on a personal level whether that game is multiplat or NX exclusive, infact, the fact you even thought this and it entered your mind and made you reply clearly makes it look like you're the one with personal feelings on the matter. I'm just stating the fact that PG would be a bit crazy if they decided to make this an exclusive after the sales of the 2nd one, and how you can disagree is beyond me.

And yes you're right that the first didn't sell too well (but not bad) but it was a new IP and it was something slightly different so people wouldn't of wanted to take the risk. However after proving itself as a good game and becoming more known, the second one would of sold much better if maultiplat but PG missed this chance and risked that the wii U would sell like hot cakes just like the wii did and let them fund it, but as we know the opposite happened resulting in less market share for the game to sell well and losing out on sales.



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asqarkabab on 20 January 2016

No there will be no meltdown for bayonetta 3



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