Which is really too bad because this thread is full of great comments and ideas. 

Ok, serious question. Who do you think will buy NX other than people who bought wiiu? Ps4 owners, xb1 owners or people who haven't bought any of the 3 consoles? The 3rd party support won't help all that much, because ps4 are happy playing 3rd pary games on their console, same with xb1 gamers. In other words, even if everything goes well, unless they come up with something that Sony and MS don't offer (last generation it was motion controls), they won't sell much more than 20m. Which could be enough for NInty to be profitable, but it still won't be able to compete with MS and Sony.

I wonder if you and me are among the "usual Nintendo haters" he describes. XD

That's what Nintendo did with Wii U; had a more powerful console than the consoles in the market prior to it's release. Made a damn expensive dual analog controller that was better than the controllers on the market. Nintendo exactly what the "hardcore" wanted them to do. Wii U is a Gamecube 2, and largely for the same reasons Gamecube failed, so did Wii U.

I don't really know what this has to to with my post. Are you saying that investors would be willing to watch Nintendo to make losses for years?

When it's the banks and long-term investment in question, dividends have a much bigger role than short-term investment, where stock price ups and downs are everything. Short term it doesn't matter how much the company makes losses, as long as market expects a better future.

Controls did play their part, but it is the games that made Wii a success, and lack of them that made Wii U fail. The market didn't change, it was Nintendo that did.

what games did WIi U lack? The shovelware? Cause those are the only ones truly missing on that system. Damn near every popluar game on WIi (at least made by Ninty) had a follow up on Wii U but it still didnt help.

For starters, there was no no Wii U Sports, it only had recycled NSMB instead of a truly new game, the lack of Metroid Prime is pretty obvious. SM3DW is a game that 3D Mario fans obviously do not care about, nor do the 2D Mario fans. DKC:TF is pretty fucked up with tropical freeze (nobody want's a game about ice world, ice worlds suck). Competition is removed from Mario Party. Kirby who? The thing is, that even as some of the games had a sequel, they're just mediocre games. Where's Excite Truck, that'd be a fun game with online and improved tracks. Yoshi, a kids game, like it's these days.

I don't think it wasn't until 2015 that Wii U started to look appealing if you look it's games library. Wii U has a handful of first party games that are interesting, but outside of the said games, there's much about nothing that would spark an interest. I would gladly welcome all the shovelware if Wii U had more of the better games.

The Wii U is barely more powerful than PS360 at least not nearly powerful enough. Wii u should have been close to power of PS4 and x1 not close to PS360 systems that had already been out for like 8 years? Better than controllers on the market? according to who? cause most gamers still tout Xbox controllers as the best. And gamepad is limited to one console and you have to go through hoops to replace it? No ninty didnt do what the hardcore wanted at all. They tried to find some weird middle ground and it just didnt work

They're obligated to make a few more great new Metroid games on consoles before they go completely mobile infection.