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ktay95 said:
Did he just essentially say the NX should never, EEEEEEEVVVEEEERRRR release??
Or is it ok if it launches the same day as PS5?? Because apparently WiiU's failings came from launching in 2012 against the massive install of PS360 and NX cant launch yet because of PS4/XBO massive install base that it would go up against... your making no fucking sense OP

 

wii u failed in 2012 because it was just as strong as ps3/xbox360 which much bigger installed hardware bases.

If Wii U would be as strong as the ps4 in 2012 and x86 based (easy third party support), im sure it wouldnt fail.



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teigaga said:
Luke888 said:

Again, explain me why it's better to try and replace a console with 70M userbase instead of one with 50M userbase...

 

1.User fatigue. Many people who  bought the PS4 early in its life will begin to see it as somewhat dated and the idea of replacement is more appealing. 
2. Power. The bigger a power leap they can demonstrate at an affordable price, the better the appeal of the system, both to gamers and developers alike. 

exactly that





CaptainExplosion said:
Soundwave said:
JNK said:

 

because it wont be a direct competitor in 2018. it would be a new gen, a competition to ps5/xbox two. 

 

Depends on what it is, if NX is a platform that can be upgraded, I'd probably rather just pay $200 for a "supplemental computing device" (Nintendo patented this) that beefs up my existing system rather than pay another $400 for a PS5. Plus I already have my existing library of games on my NX. 

I can see the appeal of such an approach. 

Most of the "next-gen" leap is honestly going to be eaten up by the need to support 4K resolution, which is 4x the pixels of 1080P, meaning graphically it may not even be that big of a leap as people think. For a next-gen "4K system" to match say a 3 TFLOP current gen system @1080p, it would have to be in the 12TFLOP+ range.

For Nintendo for the dedicated home console it could be quite smart just to make a really strong 1080P console, PS5/XB2 could have a lot of headaches significantly outperforming while having to render at 4K. 

Then we should pressure Nintendo into doing so with the NX hardware.

 

I think they already are on this track of thinking. Look at the "supplemental computing device" patent they filed ... that's very clearly an upgradable console that's not only upgradable but even shares additional horsepower to other consoles nearby (pretty radical change if they follow through with this). 

Also they always have officially described the NX as a "platform" ... you notice they never refer to it as a singular console or portable? That's a fairly large tip off IMO. 



Nogamez said:
I don't think Nintendo have aimed at going against rivals in a long time. PS and Xbox are too strong. But lots of douche bags wii only had 'casual games' is a total lie. That's like saying xbox 360 only had casual kinect games. Sure the wii had plenty off crap games but also plenty of proper games too. Metroid,medal of honour, COD, red steel, zelda, xenoblade to name a few

 

which all sold poorly compared to just dance, wii fit, wii sports and co.

Those game wasnt the reason the wii was such a sucess.



JNK said:
bdbdbd said:

 

Why would they buy a competitor in 2017 or 2018? There are just more games available for the two and every reason you used to prove your point, just shouts for an early release before even more people have PS4's so that more of their friends could play online with other PS4 users.

 

because it wont be a direct competitor in 2018. it would be a new gen, a competition to ps5/xbox two. 

 

And why wouldn't it be new generation and competition to PS5/X2 in 2016?



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Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

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JNK said:
Luke888 said:
So you suggest to release the thing when the rival consoles install base is 70Mish instead of when it's 50Mish because everyone would say "All my friends own a PS4, so I'll buy one too" when the console has 50M install base ? don't you think the same could be applicated to 2017 and it would be even WORSE since the instal base is like 20M more ? Shure your argument is full of logic *irony*
AND do you realize that the last title released in the Metroid Prime series was on the Wii, right ? and not only that but we got even a collection with even the first two games along with that ?

The only reason to wait for 2017 over 2016 is for more Horsepower but honestly Nintendo couldn't care less, whatever other console comes from Sony/Microsoft next will launch in 4/5 years from now, it'll certainly be more powerful than the NX. with the current technology it's already possible to make a console that is way more powerful than PS4/X1(hardware from 2012) at almost the same price of those two consoles...
Also in 2017 both consoles will likely get another pricecut to 250 or maybe even 200$, that could be harder to top aiming for the same price if they want to do a more powerful console, even if they use 2016 tech...

nope, never said it should launch 2017. So its logical.

Nonetheless, in 2017 it could already be strong enough to compete against an probl ps5 and be a real 9th gen console.



No it wouldn't, if Wii U couldn't compete with 2 consoles that launched one year after it's release, what makes you think that NX will be able to compete with devices that'll launch 2 or 3 years after it ? If Nintendo makes a device that is upgradable with future add-ons they can make and extended generation that merges the end of the 8th and the whole 9th, so that when PS5 shows up they already have some milions of devices out there...





JNK said:
ktay95 said:
Did he just essentially say the NX should never, EEEEEEEVVVEEEERRRR release??
Or is it ok if it launches the same day as PS5?? Because apparently WiiU's failings came from launching in 2012 against the massive install of PS360 and NX cant launch yet because of PS4/XBO massive install base that it would go up against... your making no fucking sense OP

 

wii u failed in 2012 because it was just as strong as ps3/xbox360 which much bigger installed hardware bases.

If Wii U would be as strong as the ps4 in 2012 and x86 based (easy third party support), im sure it wouldnt fail.

 

It doesn't matter what hardware Wii U had as long as the games were just as bad as they were/are. I don't think this is a matter of 3rd party games, as Wii U did have somewhat moderate 3rd party support right out of the gate, but it dried out because that's what nobody was buying. Multiplatform games hadn't come earlier in any case as they did for the PS4/X1 anyway. 



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Kennel83 said:
JNK said:

So many people are still believing in / hoping for an NX release Nov´16.

I think an NX release ´16 will be horrible for all of us.

What do you expect from NX? You want an real console, a competition for Ps4/xbox one with games like: F-Zero, Metroid Prime, Zelda and co right? Probl with good third party support?

Im sure this wont happen in 2016. It would ne stupid.

NOBODY would buy a competiter to ps4/xbox one in 2016.

Many of my friends just got an ps4, do you know why? Because many of their friends had an ps4 already so they could play online together. Thats the main reason many people are purchasing a console.

In 2016/2017 there will be the ps4 with an installed hw base of ~50mio units vs the NX with probl ~5 Mio Units. People wont get the NX because they dont know other people who got it. 

This was exactly the same sceanrio the wii u ran into in 2012. It was the strongest console in 2012/2013q3. But nobody bought it or bought the third party games for it. They got them on ps3/xbox 360 because that was were their friends at.

 

So the only possibility NX will release 2016 is: We will get another Wii. A console aimed heavily on the casual market. No Metroid Prime, No F-Zero, but Just Dance, Wii Sports and Wii Fit.

 

Do you still want NX to be released 2016?

Wow. I know it's your opinion, and I respect it, but you know all of that... how?

We now almost anything about the NX! As I see it, it could be the best Nintendo console ever, or the worst, or even an average console. Until we get some official information from Nintendo all we can do is speculate.

If they release the NX so "early" we're getting another wii? Well, that sucks, I bet Nintendo don't want that. Who would want to sell 100m of consoles? Crazy, right?

Also, how can you be so sure about all of those games missing at launch or missing at all? Have you seen Nintendo's output these past year? There have been some great games, but lots were cheap and quick games to fill the catalog. Are you seriously expecting Nintendo have been doing nothing for the NX all this time? Retro and ead 1 I think, have been working for two years on something, and some small games being filler indicate that they are indeed working on the NX. 

If I had to choose, I'll be the happiest man if they release NX platform in november 2016. If it's good and has good games and price people will buy it. Think about this, maybe people do the same as with the ps4, and 50m buy it "because my friend has bought it, so me too" xD

The only thing I agree with you is that maybe, just maybe, if they release it "too soon" it won't be what I'm expecting. I'd love it to have most of the leaked patents, specially that awesome free form controller, and it might be too soon for that (expensive, actually). But games? I'm sure they'll have plenty of games for the NX first year on the market.

At least that's what we should expect from them, to have learnt something from the wii u's failure.

But I'm optimistic. Merging handheld and console developing looks promising. I read somewhere that they release 18-24 games on average every year for both, now, if NX is really capable to play the same games in both, that would mean almost zero droughts. Everybody wins :P

 

you may buy it, but you probl also got a wii u, still its an failure.

Metroid Prime and co arnt the games that made the wii sucessfull.



bdbdbd said:
JNK said:

 

wii u failed in 2012 because it was just as strong as ps3/xbox360 which much bigger installed hardware bases.

If Wii U would be as strong as the ps4 in 2012 and x86 based (easy third party support), im sure it wouldnt fail.

 

It doesn't matter what hardware Wii U had as long as the games were just as bad as they were/are. I don't think this is a matter of 3rd party games, as Wii U did have somewhat moderate 3rd party support right out of the gate, but it dried out because that's what nobody was buying. Multiplatform games hadn't come earlier in any case as they did for the PS4/X1 anyway. 

 

wii u had crap third party support with third party game didnt even looked better as ps3/xbox360 versions = no reason to get wii u.

If ps4 would have same graphics as ps3 it would fail too.

Ps4 btw even had a crappier exclusive lineup as wii u, but still its selling like hotcakes. Because games like Fifa, COD, GTA, Fallout, Witcher, Metal Gear Solid, Batman, Assassins Creed and much, much more are available on ps4 and they all look way better as on ps3.



Soundwave said:

They should be able to make something considerably more powerful than a PS4 this year or next year though. You don't need to wait until 2018.

AMD has 14nm/16nm Arctic Islands GPUs coming this year that will blow the PS4's GPU out of the water.

I'd say release a 3TFLOP-range high end console this fall and start building that userbase quick (having Zelda, Splatoon 2, and Mario 3D in the first 6-8 months will be critical).

Then in 2018 release a 4K NX model. 

NX is a platform, it's no single console or portable. Nintendo games just scale up and down, third parties have the choice (games can work on specific models depending on hardware need or all them if they want). 

Why adhere to "rules" if they only benefit Sony/MS. Change the rules, it's 2016, you don't have to keep making hardware like it's 1989 forever. 

 

i dont know if the gap will be big enough. The differences between high end pcs (several 1000 dollars) and ps4 isnt even THAT big. No way NX will be as strong as an high end pc for 500 dollar or less. So the difference will be small, to small to make many people care