bdbdbd said:
And why wouldn't it be new generation and competition to PS5/X2 in 2016? |
1. to early (people "just" got the 8th gen
2. To small gap in power possible for reasonable price. Even high end pcs didnt have MUCH better graphics as ps4 now (games like order1886 even look better then most ultra pc games)
JNK said:
i dont know if the gap will be big enough. The differences between high end pcs (several 1000 dollars) and ps4 isnt even THAT big. No way NX will be as strong as an high end pc for 500 dollar or less. So the difference will be small, to small to make many people care |
3 TFLOPS is as powerful as a PS4 + XBox One combined. It would have the best 3rd party ports for two years at least, enough time for Nintendo build a comfortable userbase in their ecosystem.
Once you have those people in, you simply offer an easy upgrade path for people who really want 4K graphics (a lot of people won't even have a 4K TV) later on.
Like I said NX should not be a single console or any single device. It's a platform. Like STEAM. Your library simply just goes with you when ever you choose to get a better hardware setup (same thing happens with iPhone or Android).
JNK said:
1. to early (people "just" got the 8th gen 2. To small gap in power possible for reasonable price. Even high end pcs didnt have MUCH better graphics as ps4 now (games like order1886 even look better then most ultra pc games) |
Ok. I don't get the point you're making. Are you saying people who did't have a 8th gen console wouldn't jump to gen 9 and skip 8, or what was the point? Out of the 70 million people a year later, earlier launch had 20 million potential customers more, that would follow the better graphics on NX, right?
JNK said:
wii u had crap third party support with third party game didnt even looked better as ps3/xbox360 versions = no reason to get wii u. If ps4 would have same graphics as ps3 it would fail too. Ps4 btw even had a crappier exclusive lineup as wii u, but still its selling like hotcakes. Because games like Fifa, COD, GTA, Fallout, Witcher, Metal Gear Solid, Batman, Assassins Creed and much, much more are available on ps4 and they all look way better as on ps3 |
No, it actually had quite a few games available at launch. But if you want to point out that it's the games that count, not the hardware, then yes, you're right.
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I don't even know how much of a jump the PS5/XB2 will be.
The jump from PS3/360 to PS4/XB1 is like a 5-7x leap (250 GFLOPS or so up to 1.2TF-1.8TF).
But 4K resolution alone requires 4x as many pixels to be rendered over 1080P. That means most of that next gen leap is going to be cannibalized by the huge extra requirement of rendering games at 4K.
Besides really how much better can the graphics even get before no studio can even make a game without risking bankrupting themselves if the game flops? You're running well into the point now of where the technology doesn't really matter so much because no studio can really harness that much power because it doesn't make business sense to make photo-realistic games.
Soundwave said:
3 TFLOPS is as powerful as a PS4 + XBox One combined. It would have the best 3rd party ports for two years at least, enough time for Nintendo build a comfortable userbase in their ecosystem. Once you have those people in, you simply offer an easy upgrade path for people who really want 4K graphics (a lot of people won't even have a 4K TV) later on. Like I said NX should not be a single console or any single device. It's a platform. Like STEAM. Your library simply just goes with you when ever you choose to get a better hardware setup (same thing happens with iPhone or Android). |
The only problem I see about this is, would it be cheap? I honestly have no idea. If it's cheap then I don't see why they wouldn't do it. But I'm expecting xbox one levels of power. Hope it's more powerful though.
Kennel83 said:
The only problem I see about this is, would it be cheap? I honestly have no idea. If it's cheap then I don't see why they wouldn't do it. But I'm expecting xbox one levels of power. Hope it's more powerful though. |
It could be affordable.
"Cheap" is a different thing, and I think people need to differniate here between "cheap" (as in largely junky, crap hardware) and "affordable" (as in what the SNES, GameCube, N64, etc. were, powerful yet affordable).
I think people need to understand too that just like with soft drinks, chocolate bars, and virtually every other consumer product known to man, inflation happens.
The Super Nintendo was $199.99 at launch, that's equivalent to $350 today, so really the PS4 is basically what the SNES used to be.
Also I say let the portable NX be the affordable/budget option. The console should be aimed at a different. Why have two hardware devices aimed at the same exact audience? NX should be a platform and then they should able to make different hardware models aimed at different audiences.
No logic from the OP. You expect nintendo to be dictated on when to release their own consoles because of old systems? If previous gen installed base mattered, there would never be new gen. I said this in another thread and will say it again: what matters for a console's success are the price, games, marketing... the year it releases bears no relevance unless under certain conditions (like releasing REALLY soon after the predecessor, wich is not the case).
Mummelmann said:
But the 360 had massive 3rd party support, even better than the PS3 for most of its life. The odds that Nintendo can offer on their platforms what enticed buyers into getting an Xbox or a PS are slim to none, even if they choose the "hardcore" route. The 360 and PS3 were always going to appeal to the customer base, or potential customer base, of the PS2, but Nintendo hasn't really had a say in this market segment for at least two decades, likely more, and there is absolutely nothing to suggest they will get a say now with a new console. Especially coming off of a product line that have made them an obscure curiousity for said customer base. No, I maintain that this is a ridiculous strategy if they try it, and it would be their worst move in a very long time (even worse than the Wii U). |
Nintendo not having a say in the market? please, the majority of wii buyers got a ps2 the previous gen.
CaptainExplosion said:
It'd be better than releasing it mid-gen, the Xbox 4 and PS5 being released the year afterwards, and it'd be the Wii U all over again. |
How? it was retorical. Of course it wouldn't, as in: other consoles releasing one year later have no relevance in that equation.
| TheLastStarFighter said: I agree and disagree. Agree: Launching a similar system to PS4 in 2016 would be suicide. If it is simply offering the Nintendo take on the PS4 experience, none of the One and 4 buyers will be tempted, and it will create little buzz. Disagree: There are two options it can work. NX could be significantly MORE powerful than PS4. HBM, newer graphics, etc. A system powerful enough to compete, to some extent, with PS5 and provide a premium product over 4One. Tech heads and early adopters may have interest in this if it was done well. It would have to be expensive, but people will pay for the right product. The other option is that it is Wii-like, and offers a new experience beyond power. It could match PS4 to enable multi-plats, but also offer something beyond. Depending on what this "new experience" is, the project could work. It just has to be fun and innovative. What I disagree on is that the product would then have to be focused on casuals. You say it would be be like Wii and thus not get Metroid Prime. Wii had Metroid Prime. And the most "mature" Zelda. And one of the finest 3D Marios. So NX being Wii-like does not mean it can't or won't have core games. Quite the opposite, appealing to core gamers with SMG, Z:TP, Prime 3 and the Virtual Console was a big part of Wii's success. Wii U failed much more in this regard than Wii, despite its attempts at being a more core console. |
Things aren't black and white. the "options" you and others think are too limited. there are plenty of different aproaches on both hardware and software.
| Soundwave said: NX is a platform anyway, likely not just a "system". This is an important distinction to make, it means NX is not any singular device. As such an earlier release is better IMO. For all head starts are *not* bad. Having a headstart helped the Genesis eventually hang tough with the Super NES because Sega had several years to build up a library. The headstart definitely helped the Playstation establish itself before the N64 came to market too and make brand inroads big time. The headstart for the PS2 basically won them the generation. XBox 360 was helped by its year headstart too. It's just a matter of not being completely outdated with your tech, which is the problem with the Wii U, but lets be honest, that is hardly the best chip Nintendo could have had for 2012, they very easily could've had a 1 TFLOP GPU (in line with the XB1 at least). It's Nintendo's own insistence on the stupid "underpowered" hardware that hasn't helped them of late (it's not even that cheap to boot). They need to go back to the SNES-GameCube design philosophy of good, relatively modern hardware which can still be sold at a reasonable price. And then in 2017/2018 IMO they could release a 4K home NX which matches up evenly with the PS5. Most of the PS5's visual "jump" over the PS4 will be eaten up by that need to run 4K games anyway. So just have multiple hardware models. The key is to get people locked into the NX ecosystem, once you do that it's much easier for the consumer to stay within the NX ecosystem rather than buy a seperate PS5/XB2 ... if I can just keep my game library and upgrade the hardware when I feel the need to, that's fine. |
That would be both redundant and development hell (synce it's one more hardware to optimize games for).
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