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By the way, in regards to the Wii's SDK, we know that EAD is rewriting it while developing Mario Galaxy, so we should be seeing some significant improvements on that end soon enough.



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Diomedes1976 said:
I dont think Wii is selling so well between hardcore gamers ,its success its like the DS ...its selling well between everybody because it is "new " and "fresh " and the wiimote allows for a distinctive marketing . But ,most of those buyers are casual gamers to the bone ,many in fact will just play Wiisports and wont buy another game for a year .Thats happening with the DS right now ,many consoles are sold ,those people buy Nintendogs ,BT or Mario ...and thats it .Sure ,there are enough hardcore to guarantee some games as FF decent sales ,but most of the success outside those heavy-hitters (that continue to be the same after one year and a half ) is kiddie stuff as Dogz ,Catz ,Hannah Montana and Pokemon .

Haven't watch the Japanese sales have we? As I pointed out before the sales in Japan has increased dramatically since the DS entered the market. DS have a much better attach ratio than PSP. Their is nothing that proves what you are trying to state. Only looking at the Japanese DS sales we have a clear evidence that their is a big market for 3rd party devs on the DS.

Then I just wanted to point out one thing too this thread. PS3 best performing 3rd party title Madden has sold more than Madden on Wii. But Madden Wii is not the best performing 3rd party software. That is Rayman and that game has sold almost 70 k more than Madden PS3 (Rayman 451k, Madden 383). On that Wii has 4 more 3rd party games that has sold more than 300k (CoD3, Red Steel, Madden, Super Monkey Ball), PS3 has none. So give up the crap so far PS3 is performing worse when it comes to 3rd party games than Wii.

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Just to point out the difference in performance software wise for Wii vs PS3. By working myself backwards untill week ending 1 april I have succeded to get the following data.

  • PS3 has a total software sales of 3.857 millions.
  • PS3 3rd party software sales is 2.849 millions
  • Wii has a 3rd party software sales of 3.802 millions.

Yes Wii has sold almost the same amount of 3rd party software than PS3 totally has sold. So please give it up! Even if the percent ot the total software sales is lower for Wii than PS3 the size of the pie is significant larger.



 

 

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PS3/360 supporters now use the "ratio" comparison because it supports their cause further, Nintendo supporters now use the "numberss" comparison because it supports their cause further. Just a matter of making the argument benefit your perspective.



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vanguardian1 said:
PS3/360 supporters now use the "ratio" comparison because it supports their cause further, Nintendo supporters now use the "numberss" comparison because it supports their cause further. Just a matter of making the argument benefit your perspective.

 Aye, the comparisons are worthless. People need to learn more about statistics. If you want to use numbers to prove something, then you should also do a power calculation and state things properly. Without a power calculation the stats are worthless.

Nintendo 3rd party games currently stink and to say that Nintendo should make worse games just to make the ratios look better for 3rd parties is... just plain stupid.

The correct answer to all the questions here is very simple. Follow the money. Where can a company make more money? Nothing else matters to these people. Not ratios. Not ambigious 3rd party sales numbers. Not their love or hate for any particular company.

Right now the money is on Nintendo. They sell more games. Whether they are 1st or 3rd party is irrelavent if a company can make a game of equal or better quality. All that matters is that they sell.




 


Right now the money is on Nintendo. They sell more games. Whether they are 1st or 3rd party is irrelavent if a company can make a game of equal or better quality. All that matters is that they sell.


This is the long and short of it, I think. I don't buy the argument that people purchase Nintendo games just because they're made by Nintendo: I do buy the argument that people purchase Nintendo games because they're almost always of excellent quality. The only current counter example to this is Wii Play -- but I think we all know people are buying that for the Wii mote, not because the came is irresistably good.

Right now, the best reviewed games on the Wii (according to metacritic) are Zelda, Wario Ware, and Super Paper Mario. It's not surprising that (again, besides Wii Sports and Wii play for obvious reasons) these are the best sellers on the system. Right now, the best reviewed games on the PS3 are Motorstorm and Resistance. It's not surprising, then, that these third party titles are obliterating first party ones on that system.

In both cases, the best games are selling well. It's that simple.



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I was under the impression that Motorstorm and Resistance were 2nd party games...



Darkness said:
I was under the impression that Motorstorm and Resistance were 2nd party games...


That's something I've never heard, and it isn't true, according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomniac_Games

 



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They are published and funded by SCEA. That would constitute 2nd party. Maybe the company itself isn't owned by Sony, but the games are.



Diomedes1976 said:
I dont think Wii is selling so well between hardcore gamers ,its success its like the DS ...its selling well between everybody because it is "new " and "fresh " and the wiimote allows for a distinctive marketing . But ,most of those buyers are casual gamers to the bone ,many in fact will just play Wiisports and wont buy another game for a year .Thats happening with the DS right now ,many consoles are sold ,those people buy Nintendogs ,BT or Mario ...and thats it .Sure ,there are enough hardcore to guarantee some games as FF decent sales ,but most of the success outside those heavy-hitters (that continue to be the same after one year and a half ) is kiddie stuff as Dogz ,Catz ,Hannah Montana and Pokemon .That and Mario ,of course ,be it Mario Party ,Paper Mario ,Mario Soccer ,Mario in the Shower or whatever .Kids happen to love Mario ,it seems ,and so does some veteran gamers .In any case ,its nearly all Nintendo software . What I am saying is that Nintendo is replicating exactly the same pattern with the Wii ,and if that happens expect great results for Nintendo ,for Square (although less that last generation ) and for THQ and its movie cash-in.The others will have a hard time .Casual gamers the like of wich are buying the Wii just wont but 7-10 games a year as in the other plattforms ,and the kind of games they are interested is far more restricted and once all start doing the same stuff the competition will be enourmous and only one or two will manage to make benefits aside from Nintendo . And about Nintendo and third party games ...well Nintendo has interest in the third parties supporting them ,of course ,but Nintendo makes money primarily on its hardware and games .Yes ,each Wii game gives them some dollars in revenue through royalties ,but a first party game gives them much more dollars .AS for some developers I know it appears Nintendo doesnt play fair with third parties ,apparently they dont give in developing kits the same quality they keep for themselves so the third party efforts are nearly always half-baked compared to a Nintendo superproduction . As some analyst said ,Nintendo success is reshaping the market to its favour and desires ,but that is beneficial only for Nintendo ,and the losers here (aside from Sony and Microsoft ) are the third parties .

So much Nintendo hate in that post....

And on another note, please stop making points out of nowhere. The attach rate for DS is higher than that for PSP as many just have stated. You're often doing this it seems to me, you think it has to be like that and then look at it as a fact.

 



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I wasn't comparing RE4 GCN to RE4 PS2. I was comparing RE4 to anything that came before it. Capcom took their biggest franchise and flushed it down the toilet by making it for the wrong platform. By the time they realized this mistake, it was too late, but they rectified it as best they could. Past, present, future, whatever. No difference. Nobody's had much luck on Nintendo platforms since the SNES days, and even then, many of them were chomping at the bit to see what they could do with a less restrictive Sega. No, not per system. Per title. The average PS3 third party game in Japan is selling more copies (64k) than the average Wii third party game (42k) (when factoring in the Wii games listed here, that figure drops to 34k). Per system, the numbers get a lot bleaker. If people are only buying Wii Play because of the controller, Nintendo's wasting their advertising dollars. This explanation doesn't cut it for me. Are some of the sales coming due to the controller? Yes, no doubt. Are all of them? No, plenty of people have played Wii Sports and liked it enough to pick up Wii Play, on top of the heavy marketing campaign. If people are stupid enough to not realize Wii Play is made by Nintendo, they shouldn't be allowed to play video games unsupervised. We've already been through how third party titles are rushing to make unimportant games with their third string teams, preferably porting PS2/PSP games (strangely enough, much of Nintendo's support is contingent upon the continuing success of two Sony platforms).