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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Halo 5, ROTTR, Forza 6, Gears sold over 1 million as Xbone outpaces the 360

Nautilus on 04 January 2016
CGI-Quality said:
Nautilus said:

You dont need to be a mind reader to understand when someone is generalizing something.You just need context.And if you have been acompaning the vgchartz, or gaming forums in general, there has been alot of doom about this game sales.Thus, my "everyone".Context, my dear Watson.

And yes, failure and success is very subjective to what the company was expecting of the game, its performance and whatnot.But there are baselines to anything.If we dont consider a game that sells 1 million to be at least not a flop, flop here being a game that does horrendous, and the game not having a gigantic budget of lets say 500 million,what is a milestone for it?

Context is nice and all until one point, because unless there is a official statement about the companys content about the game, anything can be bad or good, because you can say for example, that Uncharted was a flop selling 5 million, because the company could be expecting 10 million sales(not actual sales, thats just a example).But since we may never get a official statement, it will always be up to each one "context" and there will never be a concensus.Thats why its always good to have a baseline, and 1 million under 2 months for a gajme that will come to 2 other platforms is a good guess to say that the game have at least not flopped.

Nah, you're trying saving face with that "everyone" comment, but that's fine. Not really a big deal.

In any event, much of what you say is based on opinion, which isn't what I was after.  You're harping on the word "context" for no reason at all. Yes, without it, it's meaningless to call a game a flop or success, unless the company makes it abundantly clear (which isn't what's happening here). Is Halo 5 a flop at 1 million? I don't know. Is it a success? I still don't know, because I don't know what the expectations were. All I can do is assume.

Context, my dear Watson.

You kind of confirmed what i said so far.All i did in my assertions so far was assuming.If you were to review what i said, i always said that " is a good guess to say that the game have at least not flopped".Im not saying it did for certain, but im assuming it did not flop.AS i said and you said, we cant know for 100% that it did or did not unless we get a official source to tell so, but im guessing based on the informations we got so far.Im not saying that what i said is the absolute truth.So I dont get why you are trying to correct me.Im just making a educated guess based on the context given to us.Just as I said, and you said.

Dont confuse opinion with facts.Two very different things you know.





My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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JRPGfan on 04 January 2016

Well... thats actually good news then.
Rise of the tomb raider on XB1+XB360 is over 1m sold to consumers.



Spade on 04 January 2016

Can't believe people thought TR would flop. Not great, but decent sales!
Hopefully I can beat the first one and then play the second before I go back to school.



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Nautilus on 04 January 2016
CGI-Quality said:
Nautilus said:
CGI-Quality said:

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You kind of confirmed what i said so far.All i did in my assertions so far was assuming.If you were to review what i said, i always said that " is a good guess to say that the game have at least not flopped".Im not saying it did for certain, but im assuming it did not flop.AS i said and you said, we cant know for 100% that it did or did not unless we get a official source to tell so, but im guessing based on the informations we got so far.Im not saying that what i said is the absolute truth.So I dont get why you are trying to correct me.Im just making a educated guess based on the context given to us.Just as I said, and you said.

Dont confuse opinion with facts.Two very different things you know.

Once again, your intial comment was in absolute. My response to you -  there's no way to know if it succeeded or failed. You've now shifted to agreeing with that, which is cool, but that's not what you're initial sentiments were (at least, not in that very first post).

As for your opinions vs fact jabber, I'm not sure where I confused the two.

If you want to get tecnical yes, my wording in the first post was not the most apropriate one.And i didnt shift my opinion, I merely stated it in a way that you could understand:that while you cant be 100% sure of its floppiness or success, I personally believe that this game cant be considered a flop anymore.

And the "opinions vs fact jabber" refers to the consequent posts, in whcih you insisted that my wording was still absolute, as if it was written as a fact, when i already did corrected it.





My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Puppyroach on 04 January 2016

I like that he clarified that ROTR is WELL over a million sold-through, most like making this deal a success for SE and MS alike.



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Nautilus on 04 January 2016
CGI-Quality said:
Nautilus said:

If you want to get tecnical yes, my wording in the first post was not the most apropriate one.And i didnt shift my opinion, I merely stated it in a way that you could understand:that while you cant be 100% sure of its floppiness or success, I personally believe that this game cant be considered a flop anymore.

And the "opinions vs fact jabber" refers to the consequent posts, in whcih you insisted that my wording was still absolute, as if it was written as a fact, when i already did corrected it.

Nautilus said:

"So after all, ROTR is not a flop as everyone wanted it to be on XOne.It WONT kill the franchise."

That would be an absolute. No matter if you shifted later or not, that's speaking as a matter of fact, in the moment. Going back to that little word "context" and all. :P

My god, I already clarified in the previous post that i wasnt completely correct in my first post:

"If you want to get tecnical yes, my wording in the first post was not the most apropriate one."

And again, i already clarified in the previous post that my comment about opinions and facts was about the comments that you made AFTER i corrected my initial post, putting it in words that were more apropriate.

Unless you want me to beg for forgiveness, I dont know what you are trying to do here.Giving me a lesson that I need to talk twice about what I mean to people with difficulties to understand, perhaps?





My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus on 04 January 2016
CGI-Quality said:
Nautilus said:
CGI-Quality said:

Nautilus said:

- snip

My god, I already clarified in the previous post that i wasnt completely correct in my first post:

"If you want to get tecnical yes, my wording in the first post was not the most apropriate one."

And again, i already clarified in the previous post that my comment about opinions and facts was about the comments that you made AFTER i corrected my initial post, putting it in words that were more apropriate.

Unless you want me to beg for forgiveness, I dont know what you are trying to do here.Giving me a lesson that I need to talk twice about what I mean to people with difficulties to understand, perhaps?

If there's nothing left to discuss, you needn't respond further. I'm a sucker for good conversation, however. 

Me too.Im sorry if i got a little bit carried away in the sarcarms.People in the internet can be a little.... difficult sometimes, and I thought you were one of them.Well, maybe all this heated discussion is  due to our love to argue and games, so getting carried away can be a good thing!





My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

hollabackenny on 04 January 2016

Aaron Greenberg has confirmed on his Twitter that these numbers are sold through.



TheSting on 04 January 2016
hollabackenny said:
Aaron Greenberg has confirmed on his Twitter that these numbers are sold through.

 


Pretty sure it still is a failure and the PR from Aaron is fluff 😂. They've totally destroyed that franchise.



Azzanation on 04 January 2016

People complain about ROTR not selling well but a important fact is this.

Sold 2.45m on the PS3 with a install base over 80m+
Sold 1.88m on the 360 with a install base over 80m+

ROTR sold 670k+ on the XB1 with a user base of over 18m+

Attach rate is higher on the XB1 then the last gens reboots.