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Swordmasterman on 06 December 2015
Snoopy said:
aLkaLiNE said:

I'll give them credit for achievements, and introducing the first hard drives to home console. That's about it. Online gaming was also on PS2, was free, and with the way that internet was developing at the time, there's absolutely no chance that online gaming wouldn't have been a big part of the 7th gen. So to that end, on the online multiplayer front, MS made popular charging for an online subscription.  Again that's not a benefit.  They put behind this gold paywall Netflix originally. That's not a benefit, that's basically saying that you have to pay us in order to access this other content that also requires a monthly fee.  Nothing about that is revolutionary. Nada. Zilch. And multimedia features? What do you mean? The PS3 came out the box with media support for pretty much everything and could be turned into a full on Linux based PC. MS did -not- make multi media popular on consoles, they were just riding that wave.  Which was also something that was bound to happen, case in point being the software features available on the PS1, further expanded upon on the PS2 and completely realized on the PS3.

New and exciting UI overhauls? I feel like that's a stretch.  Many people preferred the old 360's blade UI over the NXE. I remember that.  I also know that up until recently, the X1's UI has been a sloppy and sluggish mess - designed by a through and through software company! It's borderline hilarious honestly. That should have been sorted out WELL before launch, not two years after.  And my dude, all that cloud PR talk has been smoke blown up your ass. That talk dates back over two years now and there's still nothing to show for it. Ironically speaking it's actually Sony that is using cloud based technology to allow people to stream full fledged PS3 titles to TVs without the need for a console.  What is MS using the cloud for so far? How have they pioneered or innovated on that front? I'm pretty sure the 'cloud' is just PR speak for dedicated servers lol. Nothing crazy there.
On one last note, MS has never played by anyones rules but their own. That is EXACTLY why they're in the situation they're in in regards to a declining userbase, in regards to lagging 3rd party support, in regards to lagging 1st party support, consumer base retention. This is, 100% on them and the strategy they've employed. If anything Sonys starting to play more by MS rules, not the inverse dude. Timed exclusivity, moneyhatting, paywalls, these are ripped straight out of MS playbook and now Sonys doing all that better. I don't agree with it but it no longer affects me because my console of choice now participates in all that shadyness.

 


1. Please watch crackdown 3 then come back to me.

2. What declining user base? Xbox hasn't been as popular before. Third party support is still huge. The only third party games Microsoft will be missing out on is what sony/nintendo buys or some niche Japanese  game that may not even be localized which usually doesn't even sell well or score well.

3.Sony had to do third party marketing deals because their first party is making vr crap or indies. These type of things only help out in the short run, but not the long run. The paywall is probably something Sony wanted to do with the PS3, but couldn't get away with it at the time. They probably lost money running all those servers.

Microsoft only went full out for third party games during the 360 era to let people know playstation isn't the only place to play it. Very important for their brand. Now they're building an army of huge AAA exclusives.

You are Biased ?, First that Crackdown 3, is not coming anytime Soon, While Streaming Playstation Games are a Real Thing for over 1 Year.

Ace Combat, Street Fighter, Dead or Alive, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Nearly All Capcom's Franchises, Nearly All Bandai Namco Games, A lot of Sega's Games,  and a Lot of other Japanese Games that does not show up in the Xbox Console, Some of this Games as you say are "Niche" they Sell More than Forza 6, i think that Even Dragon Quest Heros, sold more in USA, on Launch,  than Forza 6, Did in his week of Launch Globally.

 

and a Last Thing, the Xbox One, is Selling Less than Xbox 360 Did, even with Better Launch the Xbox One, is Selling Nearly the Same or Even Worse than Xbox 360 Did, they Stop to compare it because they would Begin to Lose even for the Xbox 360, the sales are Slowing down and there is Nothing in the Horizon to Save Microsoft, for Example Why do you Think they dont Release Numbers of Consoles Sold ? is Because the Numbers are Worse than the Xbox 360's Numbers.

 

Until June, or Juny, of this year they said that the Xbox One, was Selling Faster than Xbox 360, in the Same time or in comparison Between the Sames months in the same Time-Line, But after that they Stopped to Claim that they are Selling more than Xbox 360, and do you Know Why ?, is Why in 2 Years of Console, in Xbox 360's Life Cicle they Released a Huge Tittle That Sold  a Lot of Consoles, was released in September 2007, Halo 3, they Sold more than 4.3 Millions of Halo 3, Copies in just 1 Week, and they Finished the Life-Cicle of this game with Over 15 Millions of Units Sold.

 

Halo 5, in Comparison only Had less than 1.5-1.7 Millions Sold in the First Week, they Mixed The Numbers to Hide it, and even Now i think that he did not Surpassed 2 Millions of Units Sold, maybe with Blackfriday he did it, Because of that i think Xbox One, is beggining to Sell even Less than Xbox 360, is because Xbox 360, in the same time had a Mind Blowing Title like Halo 3, and now  Halo 5, Is not  even more than Twice, the Sales of Uncharted Remaster.



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Diablos on 06 December 2015
Snoopy said:


1. Please watch crackdown 3 then come back to me.

2. What declining user base? Xbox hasn't been as popular before. Third party support is still huge. The only third party games Microsoft will be missing out on is what sony/nintendo buys or some niche Japanese  game that may not even be localized which usually doesn't even sell well or score well.

3.Sony had to do third party marketing deals because their first party is making vr crap or indies. These type of things only help out in the short run, but not the long run. The paywall is probably something Sony wanted to do with the PS3, but couldn't get away with it at the time. They probably lost money running all those servers.

Microsoft only went full out for third party games during the 360 era to let people know playstation isn't the only place to play it. Very important for their brand. Now they're building an army of huge AAA exclusives.

lol are you reading of the offical ms company pr cards?

Buddy MS has to buy temporary 3rd part game like Tomb raider cause they cant compete and make them themselves.  They are building an army of AAA exclusives how ?? by milking Forza to death driving HAlo to it lowest quality ever and buying Ips aka Gears becasue they lack ability to make new ips succesfull liek Sony does.  

HAhaha those niche Japanese exclusive games out sale most in MS army of exclusives.



AsGryffynn on 07 December 2015
Swordmasterman said:

also on the 2000's there Had a boy that Give Away Playstations, for Free in a Television Show, he had Also a Song that Still Popular nowdays, they Released this Song again and in less than 1 Month Reached more than 2.3 Millions of Views, this Television Show also Broadcast Cartoons, and the Huge number of Parents that had Small Kids Knew the Playstation Brand Because of this Song.

Here is the Song, there is no 1 Person in Brazil, that dont know this Boy, he was in a Television Show, in one of the 2 Biggest Television Companies of Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fww0a1pOaWc

That is a refutation exactly how?

At least someone found the article I referred to... 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-12-ps4-xbox-one-seeing-much-higher-digital-download-attach-rates

So leaving this here might not be a problem any longer...



AsGryffynn on 07 December 2015
Swordmasterman said:

Sorry guy but i need to Disagree with You, Xbox One, is only leading on Mexico, on Brazil (Where i live) and on Argentina, the numbers are in Favor for Playstation 4, also  as a Citzen of one of the 2 Biggest Video Game Markets in Latin America, i have to say that the Numbers Microsoft, Claim are "Official Numbers" While in Brazil, the most numbers of Consoles Sold came From Paraguai, USA, United Kingdom, just to you Know the Official Price of Playstation 4, on Brazil was 1800US$ In Launch, and the Xbox One, official Price was 1200US$ with Kinect, after that it dropped to 800US$ Without Kinect, just in the Last Month the Playstation 4's Official price on Brazil, dropped to 650US$ and Xbox one, Raised to 625US$ after sereval drops of the Price.

http://gearnuke.com/xbox-one-sells-better-ps4-latin-america-2014/

Since it seems someone finally read the article, I guess there's no problem with me posting links now...

This has no bearing on what I said though...

Swordmasterman said:

The numbers that Microsoft, claim are 2014 Numbers, while the Playstation 4, was Really more than 1800US$ in the Official Market, while you could buy a new Playstation 4 for over 600US$ on Several Non-official sources, the Xbox One, was 1200US$ With Kinect, and was possible to find for 750-850US$ in some Places.

And your point is?

Swordmasterman said:

Got it ? you cannot use Official Sources to Claim Sales on Brazil (one of the 2 Biggest markets in Latin America) because from Both Sides  the most number of Sales are Via Un-official Sources, the Playstation 4, was more because you could find the Console for 1/3 of the Official Price on Any other place that purchased it from USA, or United Kingdom, I know what are the Most Popular Consoles and Playstation 4, is undoubtedly the Most Popular console on Brazil, he is in Every Youtuber's Standart Console Video, and there Really dont have Any Youtuber Playing Multiplataform games on Xbox One, even the Small ones dont Play on Xbox One, Also in Brazil, Not a Single person know the Xbox's Exclusives, this is either the same with Playstation, to tell the Truth some people dont even know that Consoles have Exclusive Games, here on Brazil.

The link says otherwise and this is not true. While it's true that Mexico and Brazil overshadow all other countries, that only breaks down the charts. Europe itself shuns the XONE but it is still selling decently. It is not as widespread, but sales grow regardless. It is the same for Latin America...

Swordmasterman said:

The Major Market Plays Fifa, and GTA, and those games are associated with Playstation's Brand,  so when someone think in getting one of those Games they get it on Playstation, instead of Xbox One, because they think that this will run Better on Playstation, also the Casual ones only Play Fifa, and GTA (the most popular franchises over there) on Playstation 4, this means that if you want to Play with your Friends Online, you must buy the Playstation Version, that after Several Generations, here on Brazil the Playstation Brand is constantly associated with Quality,  Any Casual Gamers, and the Parents that dont Play Video Game, only Know the Playstation's Brand, because of that most of then Buy Playstation.

The sales say otherwise...

Swordmasterman said:

also on the 2000's there Had a boy that Give Away Playstations, for Free in a Television Show, he had Also a Song that Still Popular nowdays, they Released this Song again and in less than 1 Month Reached more than 2.3 Millions of Views, this Television Show also Broadcast Cartoons, and the Huge number of Parents that had Small Kids Knew the Playstation Brand Because of this Song.

Here is the Song, there is no 1 Person in Brazil, that dont know this Boy, he was in a Television Show, in one of the 2 Biggest Television Companies of Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fww0a1pOaWc

That is a refutation exactly how?

At least someone found the article I referred to... 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-12-ps4-xbox-one-seeing-much-higher-digital-download-attach-rates

So leaving this here might not be a problem any longer... 

PS... Mexico has no import taxes to hamper PS4 sales, yet the XONE still outsold it there, even though it has been PlayStation territory since the PS2, so the Mexico part makes even less sense...



rolltide101x on 07 December 2015
RenCutypoison said:
Leadified said:
After the 360 had such strong support for fighting games and finally getting Killer Instinct it's sad to see that support for fighting games on the Xbox has dried up so much.


360 had strong support because it had a superior pad (especially the sticks), which is also why it had Cave shmups.

Now that MS edge in controller quality as lowered, japanese fighting games/shmup developpers have much less incentive to bet on Xbox, especially given Xbox One's reception in Japan.

Uhmmm........ The 360 had a crappy DPad which are critical to fighting games. Have no idea where you got that from



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RenCutypoison on 07 December 2015
rolltide101x said:
RenCutypoison said:
Leadified said:
After the 360 had such strong support for fighting games and finally getting Killer Instinct it's sad to see that support for fighting games on the Xbox has dried up so much.


360 had strong support because it had a superior pad (especially the sticks), which is also why it had Cave shmups.

Now that MS edge in controller quality as lowered, japanese fighting games/shmup developpers have much less incentive to bet on Xbox, especially given Xbox One's reception in Japan.

Uhmmm........ The 360 had a crappy DPad which are critical to fighting games. Have no idea where you got that from





Jedidiah-Rose on 07 December 2015

The more 3rd party exclusives the better, Japanese loyalty at it's finest :D It's starting to feel more and more like the PS2 era.

"Hey devs, you know about the Gamecube and the Xbox?"
"...no?"



Playstation gaming for 18 years this 2012


RenCutypoison on 07 December 2015
Hiku said:

I'll concur with what rolltide101 said. Most fighting game players use the D-pad over the analog stick, because it's easier to do most inputs faster.
To give you an idea of how few people use the analog stick, here's a tweet from Markman who works at Madcatz, responding to a question from a person asking why they even bothered to include the aalog stick on their new controller.

"Believe or not, some fighting game players use the analog stick."

Some do, but the general preference is the d-pad for traditional fighting games.
The analog stick on a controller is not to be confused by the digital stick though that's found in arcades or on fight sticks. It functions a bit differently, and since you use your wrist instead of your thumb, many prefer this over a d-pad even.

I always thought d-pad were unpopular in fighting games. My bad.

I'm aware arcade sticks are different tho. Was it because of the online then ? I remember more core fighting games players on 360. (edit : in the west obviously)



Swordmasterman on 07 December 2015
AsGryffynn said:
Swordmasterman said:

Sorry guy but i need to Disagree with You, Xbox One, is only leading on Mexico, on Brazil (Where i live) and on Argentina, the numbers are in Favor for Playstation 4, also  as a Citzen of one of the 2 Biggest Video Game Markets in Latin America, i have to say that the Numbers Microsoft, Claim are "Official Numbers" While in Brazil, the most numbers of Consoles Sold came From Paraguai, USA, United Kingdom, just to you Know the Official Price of Playstation 4, on Brazil was 1800US$ In Launch, and the Xbox One, official Price was 1200US$ with Kinect, after that it dropped to 800US$ Without Kinect, just in the Last Month the Playstation 4's Official price on Brazil, dropped to 650US$ and Xbox one, Raised to 625US$ after sereval drops of the Price.

http://gearnuke.com/xbox-one-sells-better-ps4-latin-america-2014/

Since it seems someone finally read the article, I guess there's no problem with me posting links now...

This has no bearing on what I said though...

Swordmasterman said:

The numbers that Microsoft, claim are 2014 Numbers, while the Playstation 4, was Really more than 1800US$ in the Official Market, while you could buy a new Playstation 4 for over 600US$ on Several Non-official sources, the Xbox One, was 1200US$ With Kinect, and was possible to find for 750-850US$ in some Places.

And your point is?

Swordmasterman said:

Got it ? you cannot use Official Sources to Claim Sales on Brazil (one of the 2 Biggest markets in Latin America) because from Both Sides  the most number of Sales are Via Un-official Sources, the Playstation 4, was more because you could find the Console for 1/3 of the Official Price on Any other place that purchased it from USA, or United Kingdom, I know what are the Most Popular Consoles and Playstation 4, is undoubtedly the Most Popular console on Brazil, he is in Every Youtuber's Standart Console Video, and there Really dont have Any Youtuber Playing Multiplataform games on Xbox One, even the Small ones dont Play on Xbox One, Also in Brazil, Not a Single person know the Xbox's Exclusives, this is either the same with Playstation, to tell the Truth some people dont even know that Consoles have Exclusive Games, here on Brazil.

The link says otherwise and this is not true. While it's true that Mexico and Brazil overshadow all other countries, that only breaks down the charts. Europe itself shuns the XONE but it is still selling decently. It is not as widespread, but sales grow regardless. It is the same for Latin America...

Swordmasterman said:

The Major Market Plays Fifa, and GTA, and those games are associated with Playstation's Brand,  so when someone think in getting one of those Games they get it on Playstation, instead of Xbox One, because they think that this will run Better on Playstation, also the Casual ones only Play Fifa, and GTA (the most popular franchises over there) on Playstation 4, this means that if you want to Play with your Friends Online, you must buy the Playstation Version, that after Several Generations, here on Brazil the Playstation Brand is constantly associated with Quality,  Any Casual Gamers, and the Parents that dont Play Video Game, only Know the Playstation's Brand, because of that most of then Buy Playstation.

The sales say otherwise...

Swordmasterman said:

also on the 2000's there Had a boy that Give Away Playstations, for Free in a Television Show, he had Also a Song that Still Popular nowdays, they Released this Song again and in less than 1 Month Reached more than 2.3 Millions of Views, this Television Show also Broadcast Cartoons, and the Huge number of Parents that had Small Kids Knew the Playstation Brand Because of this Song.

Here is the Song, there is no 1 Person in Brazil, that dont know this Boy, he was in a Television Show, in one of the 2 Biggest Television Companies of Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fww0a1pOaWc

That is a refutation exactly how?

At least someone found the article I referred to... 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-12-ps4-xbox-one-seeing-much-higher-digital-download-attach-rates

So leaving this here might not be a problem any longer... 

PS... Mexico has no import taxes to hamper PS4 sales, yet the XONE still outsold it there, even though it has been PlayStation territory since the PS2, so the Mexico part makes even less sense...


i Know that Mexico, dont Have Tax, but I'M Saing that Brazil, and Mexico, have nearly the Same Market Share on Latin America, and Explain for me Sir, why in the Hell in Brazil Someone would Buy a Console for 1800US$ Instead of 600US$ if it was Easy to Find and it also Had Warranty.

 

The Entire Year until Xmas Xbox one, official price was 1200US$, and could be find for 750-800US$ the Playstation 4, Official Price was 1800US$, and could be find for 600US$ sometimes even Less, the Numbers of Consoles that Came from USA, Uk, or Even Mexico, are not take into account for the Statistics of Microsoft's Sales, Majority of the Players from Both Sides buy Consoles from Un-Official Sources that Are Impossible for Microsoft to take it into Account.

 

i Live in Brazil, i Know what are the People's Tastes, and i Know that the Playstation Brand is Very Popular, and the Xbox's Brand is NonExistent for the Majority of the People, also Because i Live Here i Know wich Console is more Popular, from 200 Youtubers Playing Video Games here on Brazil, you will be Lucky if find more than 2  Playing Multiplataform games on Xbox One, so in the Brazil have over 45% of the Market Share of Latin America, Mexico have something like 45%,.

 

Playstation is More Popular here but we cannot Calculate How Much it is, and this is the true if you came here and talk with anyone you will See, also all the Famous Ones, only Play Games on Playstation, and 98-99% of the Youtubers play Multiplataform games on Playstation 4.

 

this Market Analisys are Dumb, last Generation they said that Xbox 360, had 89% of Market Share, even  with Playstation 3, and Wii, being Famous Here,  this Shows that Majority of the People buy Consoles via Un-official Source, and Xbox, Only sell this Much because the Price of the Official Source, and the Un-Official Source, are Pretty much the same, while Playstation, had the Cust less than 1/3 of what it was, with the Un-official Source.



GribbleGrunger on 07 December 2015

Yes, Sony are taking the generation a genre at a time.



 

The PS5 Exists.