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Will people ever change?

Yes, there is hope. 40 26.67%
 
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Srassy said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Yet everybody praises the GC today, when it was " a cube for kids with no games" back in the day. Its only problem was not being a cheap DvD, because other than that GC had it all.


You're underestimating third party.  It had games.  They just weren't the ones people wanted to play. :)  Hence why PS2 has 150 million sales and the GameCube had a bit over 20 million.

 

GC had most of the third parties and a lot of the biggest classics of the generation (Metroid Prime 1&2, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4, F-Zero GX, Mario Sunshine, Pikmin 1&2, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros Melee, MK Double Dash, etc etc etc), now everyone praises the console and is widely considered one of the very best consoles ever, yet it was mockered on its time even worse than WiiU, we all know that. And no, the main reason why Ps2 sold 150 milions is because it was the cheapest DvD on the market, even my grandmother had one, and she havent played a game on her whole life, don´t fool yourself. 


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Srassy said:
Goodnightmoon said:
GC had most of the third parties and a lot of the biggest classics of the generation (Metroid Prime 1&2, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4, F-Zero GX, Mario Sunshine, Pikmin 1&2, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros Melee, MK Double Dash, etc etc etc), now everyone praises the console and is widerly considered one of the very best consoles ever, yet it was mockered on its time even worse than WiiU, we all know that. And no, the reason why Ps2 sold 150 milions is because it was a cheap DvD, even my grandmother had one, and she havent played a game on her whole life, don´t fool yourself. 

 


I'm not disappointed. :)  You always were the most defensive of the Nintendo users here.

Right.  I've looked up the software attach rate of both consoles.  Guess what?  Both 10!  So if most people bought it as a cheap DVD player then the actual gamers were able to buy themselves far more games than Gamecube users.

Also there were 662 games released for GC and 2469 for PS2.  On the top of my head, I distinctly remember a lack of Square-Enix on GC which would have definitely contributed to a lot of console sales.

Once the console was inmensively successfull thanks to be a cheap dvd of course it was the console with more games. Without a dvd it would have done shit. Dreamcast came after, GC exclusives were much better at first and Xbox made online gaming on consoles popular, both more powerfull too, even Dreamcast was more powerfull in some aspects. DVD is the only reason why its numbers were so big at first. Also most of those games were shovelware, Ps2 was like the Wii of its time, and also lot of people use it just to play karaoke, eyetoy and things like that. I remember that as it was yesterday. 



Volterra_90 said:
They don't even want to try playing a Nintendo game because "they're for babies.". I love them, but they're always laughing at me because of that. And I'd add to this that kids want to grown up so fast. My cousins are already playing CoD with 10 years. And I found that very disturbing.

Here's an anecdote of my experience yesterday, because why not. Unrelated to the rest of the thread but whatever, I don't share the same sentiments as OP anyway, or at least, I don't actually care. But I digress.

Continuing on, I know that's what the usual conclusion of people is; Nintendo is for kids, the others for 'mature' people, but yesterday I feel like it was the opposite. I was in a game store casually browsing all the shelves, when a ten(-ish) year old girl with her mom walked in. Her mom was like: "Look, Super Mario Maker, you can make your own Mario game with this." The child said: "But it's for Wii U, I only have a regular Wii." Mom responded: "Oh, so do you then want a Wii U or an XBox in your room?" The child said after some hesitation: "Uhm, the XBox."

Moments later, a group of 20-something year old guys walk in. At a glance you could even say they were 'dudebros'. One of them was like: "Hey, Super Mario Maker!" While another responded: "That's actually pretty damn cool yo." [sic]

None of these people actually bought anything one way or another though, and the industry, for a day, lost five customers...



Srassy said:
Miyamotoo said:

Completely fresh and innovative new IP is one thing and just fresh games are totally different things. I will prove you are wrong if you name me those 80 games. :)

Thats yours very subjective opinion, but objectively for instance every 3D Mario game or 3D Zelda is having more new staffs and mechanics than half of new IPs on market, I will not even mention games that have sequels or yearly releases.


Knowing Nintendo fans fervour, I don't doubt you would try to disprove all 80 titles I post.  I just don't care nearly as much as you.

 

I'm not happy to see it and I really do want Nintendo to do well but I kinda think they're probably one of the most complacent and least likely to try new things.  And people are growing older and want to try different stuff.

OK, then mention me only few completely fresh and innovative new IPs that are like Splatoon from those 80 games.

Its obvious that Nintendo is not doing well with consoles sales this gen, even if they games are selling great, but you can't say that "their games are all the same or that they are not innovative", because that is not true at all. And I already wrote to you that Nintendo is trying new things all the time, but they mostly implaying those new things in existing IPs, but also in completely new and great IPs like Splatoon.

And of course that some people want and different games (multiplatforms) beside Nintendo's, also you have some people that dont love Nintendo game at all.



Goodnightmoon said:
Srassy said:


You're underestimating third party.  It had games.  They just weren't the ones people wanted to play. :)  Hence why PS2 has 150 million sales and the GameCube had a bit over 20 million.

 

 

GC had most of the third parties and a lot of the biggest classics of the generation (Metroid Prime 1&2, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4, F-Zero GX, Mario Sunshine, Pikmin 1&2, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros Melee, MK Double Dash, etc etc etc), now everyone praises the console and is widely considered one of the very best consoles ever, yet it was mockered on its time even worse than WiiU, we all know that. And no, the main reason why Ps2 sold 150 milions is because it was the cheapest DvD on the market, even my grandmother had one, and she havent played a game on her whole life, don´t fool yourself. 

It also had Singstar.

If Wii Sports/Wii Fit was the reason a lot of the casual crowd gravitated towards the Wii, singstar was the reason for them to gravitate towards the PS2. Yet contray to the Wii, it gets remembered as this hardcore dream machine, when in reality just as many casuals bought into the ps2 as they did into the Wii.

You don't get to a 100m+ install base without enticing casual/non-gamers. That goes for every console/handheld console. In order to sell that many units, a console has to become a cultural phenomenon, something universally reconized. And that's fine.



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When was Nintendo last cool?

Ocarina of Time? Metroid Prime maybe?

Most of what made NES, SNES and N64 'cool' was games from other developers. Rareware with Goldeneye, Capcom with Street Fighter etc.

Yoshi's Island was a great game but it was never 'cool'.



I agree.
Sometimes, Nintendo offers a breath of fresh air in this industry so bloated with grey-and-brown hyper-realistic M-focused games. I don´t see the point of the endless and constant bashing about Nintendo being different to that.
I´m not telling that Nintendo don´t have its faults.... it does, sometimes they really hurt their fans (Where are the REAL metroid an Animal Crossing games for the WiiU?), but the industry need that sort of variety that only Nintendo is offering right now



''Nintendo released a purple console that looked like a lunch box, where you felt like a dork owning the machine.''

This one made me laugh, so it's other peoples fault that a company decides to release a device that looks like a lunch box.



Srassy said:

Miyamotoo said:

 OK, then mention me only few completely fresh and innovative new IPs that are like Splatoon from those 80 games.

Its obvious that Nintendo is not doing well with consoles sales this gen, even if they games are selling great, but you can't say that "their games are all the same or that they are not innovative", because that is not true at all. And I already wrote to you that Nintendo is trying new things all the time, but they mostly implaying those new things in existing IPs, but also in completely new and great IPs like Splatoon.

And of course that some people want and different games (multiplatforms) beside Nintendo's, also you have some people that dont love Nintendo game at all.


I absolutely can say they are all the same and not innovative because they're not.  Then you'll point to Splatoon which if I'm reminded was only moderately well received by critics (you brought up Metacritic before so fair's fair) and we'll repeat this circular argument until we die.

 

Also basically all the games are fresh and different because they're all different gameplay styles, art styles, made from different cultures for the cultural aspect.  They don't need to be innovative.

 

My problem was that Nintendo games feel the same to me.

But you are lying yourself, because they are not same at all and they are very innovative, just look at 3D Mario series from instance, you have Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy and Mario 3D World, all are very different and very innovative. If you think that NIntendo games are same and not innovative, what you can say for every other sequel or year release on market!?

Splatoon is not moderate received, its good received. Do you know whats was main reason on receivers were complained, it was lack of content, and Nintendo basically doubled that contend just one month after launch because they decided to promote game at that way. You for instance IGN that gives Splatoon 7.9 but after those released content they updated score to. 8.6. But more than scores about game is telling you popularity and reception from gamers.

You said "Nintendo clearly don't know how to innovate any more" and because that is not true, I mentioned current Wii U games like fact and some complete new games like Splatoon. Again, mention me only few completely fresh and innovative new IPs that are like Splatoon from those 80 games you have on PS4.

 

Yes, that's your problem, you dont have desire to play Nintendo games and thats OK, but again clam that "Nintendo games are all the same and that Nintendo clearly don't know how to innovate any more" is not true at all.



AnthonyW86 said:
''Nintendo released a purple console that looked like a lunch box, where you felt like a dork owning the machine.''

This one made me laugh, so it's other peoples fault that a company decides to release a device that looks like a lunch box.

To be a whole generation shitting about a console because the external design does not like you is borderline retarded. And it happenend. A lot.