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Forums - Sales Discussion - Hardware Global 14th November 2015

Alby_da_Wolf on 21 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Sony should do something for PSV in USA, then it could enjoy its little niche without worries. Better sales in USA (while obviously keeping at least the current ones, or even bettering them, in Japan, Europe and rest of the world) could finally persuade Capcom to make or port a few major titles for it, including a new Monster Hunter Freedom.

Vita is done in the US. They would have to rebrand it revive any interest. And frankly I don't think Sony wants to spend the money.

Vita is the epitome of flop in the US. Nintendo owns the mobile market in the US and Sony is saving money by letting Nintendo have it.

Yes, they should try just the most cost-effective viable options, and obviously not even try to beat 3DS, it's far too late for that. Also, any strategy should be tried when Sony will be able to cut the price below $100 while staying profitable, to add the bonus advantage of breaking a very significant price psychological barrier. Or looking at it from the opposite side, Sony could try something to revive the brand whenever it has planned that price drop (if it's planned to ever happen), that would surely be an opportunity to use.



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Mr Puggsly on 21 November 2015
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Yes, they should try just the most cost-effective viable options, and obviously not even try to beat 3DS, it's far too late for that. Also, any strategy should be tried when Sony will be able to cut the price below $100 while staying profitable, to add the bonus advantage of breaking a very significant price psychological barrier. Or looking at it from the opposite side, Sony could try something to revive the brand whenever it has planned that price drop (if it's planned to ever happen), that would surely be an opportunity to use.

I think its gotten to the point Sony just doesn't want to spend money on Vita. I'm guessing they make a nice profit at $199, but they don't want to put that back into Vita. They are cutting their losses. Support its basically limited to 3rd parties.

Also, lower the price won't solve Vita's biggest issue in the US. It doesn't have games US gamers want. A bunch of niche stuff isn't going to move hardware.

The PS3 and 360 are seeing their support cut back in spite of selling significantly more software than Vita. So even if Vita were to get a sales spike, there is litle hope of support coming back.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 21 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Yes, they should try just the most cost-effective viable options, and obviously not even try to beat 3DS, it's far too late for that. Also, any strategy should be tried when Sony will be able to cut the price below $100 while staying profitable, to add the bonus advantage of breaking a very significant price psychological barrier. Or looking at it from the opposite side, Sony could try something to revive the brand whenever it has planned that price drop (if it's planned to ever happen), that would surely be an opportunity to use.

I think its gotten to the point Sony just doesn't want to spend money on Vita. I'm guessing they make a nice profit at $199, but they don't want to put that back into Vita. They are cutting their losses. Support its basically limited to 3rd parties.

Also, lower the price won't solve Vita's biggest issue in the US. It doesn't have games US gamers want. A bunch of niche stuff isn't going to move hardware.

The PS3 and 360 are seeing their support cut back in spite of selling significantly more software than Vita. So even if Vita were to get a sales spike, there is litle hope of support coming back.


PSV current price is too high for many potential buyers, so they probably don't even bother to look for titles they could like, as they won't buy the console in the first place. Also, a larger potential user base could mean more SW support. Currently PSV is in a vicious circle, but a better price and some form of relaunch could break it, at least up to a certain degree.



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Mr Puggsly on 21 November 2015
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I think its gotten to the point Sony just doesn't want to spend money on Vita. I'm guessing they make a nice profit at $199, but they don't want to put that back into Vita. They are cutting their losses. Support its basically limited to 3rd parties.

Also, lower the price won't solve Vita's biggest issue in the US. It doesn't have games US gamers want. A bunch of niche stuff isn't going to move hardware.

The PS3 and 360 are seeing their support cut back in spite of selling significantly more software than Vita. So even if Vita were to get a sales spike, there is litle hope of support coming back.


PSV current price is too high for many potential buyers, so they probably don't even bother to look for titles they could like, as they won't buy the console in the first place. Also, a larger potential user base could mean more SW support. Currently PSV is in a vicious circle, but a better price and some form of relaunch could break it, at least up to a certain degree.

I agree the price is to high, especially for a platform with so little support.

There are things Sony could do to stimulate Vita sales. But it wouldn't be enough to bring back notable 3rd party support. Even Sony doesn't want to make Vita games. Again, 3rd parties have lost interest in PS3 and 360 even though they move significantly more software than Vita could ever hope.



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COKTOE on 21 November 2015
Intrinsic said:
OK. someone correct me if I'm wrong.

As of the end of September Sony had shipped 29M+ PS4s. VGC has it at 28.4M midway through November. Meaning that there is at least 1M still in circulation from sonys Q2 shipments. and we are now in Q3 (which started in October) that usually has around double the shipments of any other quarter.

I can't help but feel something is very wrong with this picture.


It does look like something is wrong when you lay it out like that. I don't follow the sales closely enough to be able to scrutinize the numbers, but I'm glad somebody's paying attention.



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WebMasterFlex on 22 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:

 

X1 is going to have a bigger userbase in Europe than Vita in the near future and they are getting there is less time. I only mention that because people say Vita does well in Europe.


Well that's a damn good accomplishment.



OneKartVita on 22 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Yes, they should try just the most cost-effective viable options, and obviously not even try to beat 3DS, it's far too late for that. Also, any strategy should be tried when Sony will be able to cut the price below $100 while staying profitable, to add the bonus advantage of breaking a very significant price psychological barrier. Or looking at it from the opposite side, Sony could try something to revive the brand whenever it has planned that price drop (if it's planned to ever happen), that would surely be an opportunity to use.

I think its gotten to the point Sony just doesn't want to spend money on Vita. I'm guessing they make a nice profit at $199, but they don't want to put that back into Vita. They are cutting their losses. Support its basically limited to 3rd parties.

Also, lower the price won't solve Vita's biggest issue in the US. It doesn't have games US gamers want. A bunch of niche stuff isn't going to move hardware.

The PS3 and 360 are seeing their support cut back in spite of selling significantly more software than Vita. So even if Vita were to get a sales spike, there is litle hope of support coming back.


It's funny though because (in Japan)  if Sony cut the vita to 150$ and got monster hunter 5 as an exclusive it would literally cruise to over 10m and get even more support.  Pity Microsoft doesnt own the vita because they'd definitely be willing to invest in the.  

 

And it's powerful enough to last another gen competing against the next Nintendo handheld.  Ah well a Vita fan can dream! 



asqarkabab on 22 November 2015

Congratz to sony
Theyre swimming in money
So its time to improve the psn



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OneKartVita on 22 November 2015

This week is the week after halo 5 and it's still dominating so much. The first half of 2016 will be a bloodbath. 3:1 or more will probably be a common ratio between x1 and ps4.



OneKartVita on 22 November 2015
asqarkabab said:
Congratz to sony
Theyre swimming in money
So its time to improve the psn

Psn is perfect.  No problems this year at all and that's with Sony putting up with way more traffic than its rivals.  

BTW how do II reply to multiple people in one post?  I don't want to spam the forum..