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Davman on 12 November 2015

As an RPG Fan , Sony all the way.

Last gen i bough xbox 360 first because of the exclusives but not happening this time I will totally skip microsoft cause got Wii U for second console.

PS I haven't bought PS4 yet , waiting for some good RPGS first to release.



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d21lewis on 12 November 2015

Fair or not, I do wish more people would try the competition. Some will still remain unimpressed but I think a lot of people will realize that the WiiU and Xbox One are awesome consoles and more than worthy of their time and money.



Zoombael on 12 November 2015
FloatingWaffles said:
Sprash said:
FloatingWaffles said:
Sprash said:
FloatingWaffles said:
There is no such thing as a company "deserving" to win something because deserving is subjective.

Some could say they think the PS4 deserves to win because blah blah blah.
Some could say they think the Xbox One deserves to win because blah blah blah.
Some could say they think the Wii U deserves to win because blah blah blah.

It all comes down to opinion, and more specifically whoever is biased towards whichever company will usually pick that company.

So you say that there is no such thing, just to say in the same sentence there is such a thing (subjective)?

If it is subjective then answer in your subjective opinion and say if you agree with this thread or not.

There is no such thing in a business of deserving to win because it doesn't work that way in the industry. Let's say Nintendo worked the hardest out of the 8th generation by the end of it. Do they "deserve" to win just because of that? No, because the PS4 either way sold more to customers. 

That's what it's about, whoever can draw more customers to thir product than the others. It's not like someone telling someone else "Oh, you know what? You tried your best. Here's something for you" to someone that got 3rd place. 

It's also subjective because people are biasted towards their favorite companies.

Who is talking about business aren't we all consumer (or people who have gaming as a hobby)? I'm not in the business it's my hobby so I look at it from this standpoint and say it is fair and (deserved) for sony to win this generation.

Of course it is all subjective so just answer this thread what you have to say about it agree->disagree.

What I meant by business was about how in the gaming industry it doesn't work on a "who deserved it the most" basis because of it being subjective and bias, etc.

So everyone could say who they think deserves it but it's their opinion. I guess i'm just reading too much into this.

I feel like Sony did a good job to acquire the success they have with the PS4. I usually find myself wanting to support the underdog  console more though so I feel like that's why I want to see the Xbox One or Wii U make a comeback. Makes it all more interesting. :p

Plus the generation isn't over yet, anything can change.


How, why, where?! And especially... how?!

some kind of magic trick?

 

sony is win because they do what microsoft and nintedont. 



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MDMAlliance on 12 November 2015

Who cares if it's fair or not, though? What wins wins, it's a business. Businesses do not care about what's fair.

edit: It may seem like an overly critical comment I'm making, but I am saying it because giving the notion that fairness has anything to do with successes in a business could create some tensions later on.



TheBlackNaruto on 12 November 2015
AlfredoTurkey said:
Sprash said:

Can microsoft pull a ps3 this generation or is it really lost for them to catch up?

Where is the NX going to be? catching up to the xbox one or even the ps4 or won't it not even come close to the xbox one by the end?


Microsoft can easily catch up and pass PS4 in the US. World wide is a losing cause though. I think they'd be better served focusing on the US from now on and forget Japan all together. 

Nintendo's next console is a hard one to gauge because it's going to be mid generation. Anything can happen with that console. Either way, I'm all in day one because well... Nintendo.

While anything can happen what makes you think it would be easy? I mean if it was that easy wouldn't they have already done it?



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TheBlackNaruto on 12 November 2015
Hiku said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

While anything can happen what makes you think it would be easy? I mean if it was that easy wouldn't they have already done it.

If he means this:



then I wouldn't consider that easy.


Well that is just over kill lol



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Nem on 12 November 2015
Sprash said:
Nem said:
Was it fair for Microsoft to "win" last gen?

Business isnt about fairness i'm afraid.

1.Bolded: What did microsoft win last gen?

2.Bolded: Well, I'm not in the business I'm just a consumer so why should we as consumer look at it as business?


1. Not the point.

2. Because companies dont do things out the kindness of their hearts. They do it for profit. :)



greenmedic88 on 12 November 2015

I'm a bit unclear as to why fair is a criteria that should be tied to a given product's success since ultimately success is determined by providing a product that consumers want to buy.

But, the PS4 did provide the best hardware, at least as far as specs and performance go, not that this determines commercial success based upon previous generations.

The PS4 did provide said performance at a reasonable price as opposed to bundling excess hardware that was reflected in the price.

The PS4 did provide a good developmental platform for game developers as opposed to a more proprietary system that required a different approach to software engineering that would not apply to other platforms.

And the PS4 maintained the same business model (compared to the previous generation) with respect to game distribution both retail and digital and licensing, which is apparently what consumers wanted.

All this might explain why the PS4 was successful, but again I'm not sure what this has to do with being fair.



naruball on 12 November 2015
Sharpryno said:
naruball said:
Of course it is fair that Sony is winning and I'm not saying this as a Sony fan.

(1st and most important)
They learned from their mistakes: Instead of offering expensive hardware or media that most gamers wouldn't care for, they offered an affordable console with good hardware.

-They consulted big publishers before designing their controller, thus improving its quality and strengthening their relations with 3rd parties

-They made sure 3rd parties were behind their console and even heavily promoted 3rd party games.

-They didn't rest on 3rd parties and have delivered great games since the console launched. They didn't force their 1st parties to release unfinished games, but allowed them to delay their games several times to achieve high quality (not sure whose fault Driveclub was).

-They didn't overwhelm consumers with 1st and 3rd party games around the holiday periods. They spread out the releases to avoid any droughts.

A ps4 owner has more options and more games of high quality than xb1 or wiiu.

Well more games of high quality is subjective, but nice opinion.  Sony did do things right, but there are still things they are not getting right.  

Just so there's no confusion, I'm referring to games that got a high metacritic. Yes, that's subjective but an indication of quality. I may not like games like Forza, Halo, or COD, but they are considered games of high quality, unlike games like Knack, which I love but are considered mediocre or worse. PS has 1st party with high scores (but Ninty has more) and more 3rd party games that are considered good (that Ninty doesn't), especially thanks to Japan (unlike xb1).



TheBlackNaruto on 12 November 2015
padib said:
Sprash said:

So, what be your guess if Nintendo and MS didn't screwed up?

It's a very interesting question. It would be the first time all 3 were somewhat established and didn't screw up in the same gen.

It would be something like last gen, but Nintendo would win and Sony would beat MS, mostly thanks to Europe and Japan.

Maybe 100m Nintendo, 90m PS, 70m MS.

Why do you think Nin would have won though?



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