I was trying to understand this, but swordfish came to my rescue.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7657194

33 percent is higher than what you have, unless you're sticking with the 20 percent average, I don't see how...

As for the digital sales of Ori, it has a lot... Halo 5 outsold the digital only IP in XBL. Since Xbox One numbers are higher for the XONE than they are for PC, this shows that Ori and the Blind Forest sold at least 450,000+ downloads in XBL and Halo 5 outdid that.

As for it underperforming... beneath anyone's expectations? Yes. Beneath the average? No. Shall I remind you that Halo 4 had an audience nearly 6 times the size and it relied on that to sell the same number as three, Reach and ODST?

If someone's to blame, it's 343. I myself separated them from Bungie. They are new guys and are not used to dealing with Halo, so I expect a rebound soon. If there's none, then the series died and it's ossified. Time for a reboot...

Not sure of that, but after rereading weekly sales, it seems Forza 6 performed more or less the same as Driveclub, and that was a flop for distinctly unrelated reasons (horrible reviews and scores) rather than sales.

O so you took week one sales with digital from Halo bundles  to get your 36% and expect it that trend to continue? Not only is it wrong using launch figures to form a long term trend, youre using a US trend and applying it to worldwide sales. There's is so much wrong with this opinion that I do not know where to begin.

33% is 60% higher than the ceiling we saw from destiny and we have no real info to tell it on LTD.

How can we be sure that Ori sold more on X1 than on PC? And 450k of Halo 5 (which does include the bundled codes) is a lot different than the 1M+ direct sells on XBL that some are trying to push.

Halo 3 had less of a install base and still outsold Halo 5 more than 2:1, install base isn't everything for a solid and established IP. Halo 1-4 sales have a consistency that Halo 5 falls well under.

And yes 343 and missuse (several revamps, packs, etc made it almost a yearly franchise) are to blame.

Out of curiosity, what was Destiny's ceiling... for the Xbox One?

How can we? Precedent. It seems to happen more often than not. That Ori sold better in PC or Steam is a rarity in and on itself. Look at Titanfall, Ryse, D4, Dead Rising 3... all of them on SteamSpy and all of them with half the XONE sales at most... Even the physical Titanfall fell short of the XBO version.

Well, I am not pushing for 1M+ sales. My estimate is around 550,000-600,000+ and it ties in neatly with the above average 33 percent digital sales rate I had, since the preloading incentive translated into more people than normal downloading the game...

As for Halo 3, are you really comparing the end of an arc created by Bungie to the middle point of one created by 343i? Please, no game will ever outsell Halo 3.

Honestly, the best comparisons are ALL HALOS but Halo 3. After all, Halo 1 was the original and the second only performed better with more players and no digital sales. Halo 4 performed as well as Halo 3 on an 81M+ audience. How are you expecting Halo 5 to cope with either of them when they were either the new game that revolutionized shooters, the sequel to said game or on a larger audience? Adjusted for audience differences (or alternatively, what if Halo 4 had released on only 20 million Xbox 360s) the game outperformed Halo 4. This is hardly rule bending. I am just telling you to bear the circumstances surrounding all games in mind.

I agree with 343i not faring well though. It will take a while for them to take up Bungie's mantle and take the IP in their own direction...

You Cannot Underestimate the power of Origin, because this site can have Sales numbers in the same level or even better than Steam.

TitanFall, were give for free on Origin, and had 5EU$ sales on Xbox Store, you Cannot compare a game that had a Stupid Low price Sales, or a Indie game that already have a Low price, to make a % of Digital Attach rate for a Console, Go sell BloodBorne, for 5EU$ and see if it dont Surpass 10 Millions of sales (they Said "Players" dont know if also 10 Millions are via EA Acess).

and how you Know how Ori and the Blind Florest sold ?, they only said the game was Profitable in the First Week (for the Publisher Microsoft) , Rocket League was not a 2 Millions Budget game ?, so i dont see Ori, being anywhere more than 4 Millions, the game is Digital Only, and the Plataform that Launched was of the Publisher, so 100% of the Money of the Xbox Version, were in Microsoft's hands, and 70% of the Pc Version, were on Microsoft's hands, if the game sold.

Even if Microsoft, paid 100% of the game, just 200K-250K, from Pc, and Xbox One, together already would be anought to turn into a Profit, and if the game have the Same Budget of Rocket League, so 100k-125k, already would be Enought for a Profit, and if Microsoft, did not Fully paid the game so they would need even less sales to have Profit from the game, Microsoft, is not Clear with Sale Numbers, they just Claim the Numbers that can make They  Seems like "We Win", Like this "We sell Really bad this week, but last week we did worse, so lets use the Increase % that we get from last week to Now, dont use the Actual Numbers and PR, that we Increase our sales  up 70% from Past Sales".

I can't speak for Origin, but I can safely say that, at least on Steam, the game sold nearly 500,000 units and, for Steam alone at least, the XBL sales outsell them for all games... So I can say that the Steam sales are the minimum Ori sold on the XONE, whereas the H5 sales are higher than that.

I never mentioned budget either. All I know is that games on PC and the XONE sell better on the XONE, even when only counting digital sales, so the 455,000 from SteamSpy are a bare bones minimum for Ori sales and, hence, for H5 digital sales...

On the note of the install base. Halo 4 sold around 10% of the 360s install base while halo 5 sold around 15% of the X1 install base as of dec 12th if we only include retail.

Makes sense most people who still went x1 this gen are more likely to be halo fans. Even my friend who was super pissed about the drm thing was conflicted. He didn't want to go x1 but he didn't want to lose halo.