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only777 on 02 October 2015
LudicrousSpeed said:
only777 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Bryank75 said:
What I realised long ago was that Microsoft do not want studios, the donn't actually want 1st parties at all. They want to attract people to their console and then try to keep them there paying subs and getting royalties.

That is why the core titles for xbox are only Halo, Gears and Forza. The rest are disposable for them and would not be made if they didn't need to. Microsoft were always very cynical in terms of business ethics.
They have very little stake in game development and are not here "for the gamers", they are here for the money. Nothing more.

I dont want to offend anyone, this is simply my honest opinion on them as a past customer (gen 7).

Microsoft is a business. Yes, they are in it for the money. Just like Sony and Nintendo. It's hilarious how quickly people forget what Sony tried with the PS3, lol.

The funniest part about the post is the part about subs and core games, as if the other two companies don't do the same thing.


Are you really trying to convince people that Nintendo and MS go about the video games business in the same way?  You can't seriously beleive that.

Just in case for some bonkers reason that is what you really think.  I'll go back to my old saying:

Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

I am saying someone who isn't into Nintendo games could just as easily make a list as negative towards their studios.

Same with Sony. I don't care for Infamous or baseball. Thanks for Driveclub in the first two years I guess?

Last part of your post is hilarious. All three companies want to make money. That is the bottom line for them.


It's just not that simple.  I could say Super Time Force was made only for profit, in just the same way as the latest COD game.  Both are just souless profit machines.  But ths is simply not true.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

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Valdath on 02 October 2015
sasquatchmontana said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

There goes that "blanket" statement...again lol. So if you are saying that then you MUST have also said that MS had nothing for the first 9 months as well right?

Actually, i'm pretty sure that was said for the first 9 months, i mean if Ori, State of Decay, Screamride don't count and considered a bare lineup...... if that's the way you want to play it, that's fine, but don't complain because the PS4 is in the same situation during the holidays with a half done collection and a late MOVE game. We all saw this coming.

I think other dude was right, as long as MS keep up funding games like Scalebound, Crackdown, Sunset, Ryse, Quantum Break, RE-Core, Phantom Dust, MS can, should and BE DEMANDED to keep that Minecraft/Gears/Forza/Halo cashcow running (and explore other genres like Horizon and Halo Wars and Holobuilder)

The middling guys like Rare and Lionhead can experiment until they find their cashcows, at which point they can be expoited on a bi-yearly (and later yearly basis when they move the spin-offs to external studios)

Then you can complain that "It's just another Halo/Forza/LionheadIP/RAREIP/Gears/Crackdown/Quantumbreak" holiday instead of the barren wasteland of PS4. That's so much better MI rite?

Worried?

Only about the amount of FIRST PARTY MS PUBLISHED GAMES I'LL NEED TO BUY OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS

Infact, forget anymore new ip. I'd take sequels of all of the above until 2021....anything over a barren holiday lineup.


Oh wow, what a great bunch of multiplats, irrelevant games and garbage.

 

Nice job, i'll go buy an xbone right now!



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 02 October 2015
endimion said:

So wait cause some people don't like halo, gears and forza those studio are suppose to suck and MS too???? Considering halo is the best Sci FI FPS out there if not the best, gears same deal for TPS and forza also on console for SIM racing and horizon for open world racer I can hardly see how they can be called a joke... You don't like it fine... But it's still an excellent first party line up considering it's the best in their respective categories...
There is reason I don't get or like the other platform and a big one is because they don't have those excellent games... And there suppose great 1st party don't produce anything that even remotely tingle my man parts with curiosity or excitement.... QB, see of thieves, scalebound, recore, crackdown interest me way more than PS offering..maybe ninty but they are in their own category IMO

forgot halo wars best RTS on console....

with killer instinct one of the best fighter.... Actually the competition is lucky they don't do platformers and action,RPG they'd be dominating every genre by a mile

Mass effect is the best TPS

Console RTS is an oxymoron.

Gran Turismo is the undisputed king of sim racers.

Killer Instinct is a shell of its former self

Everything else is spot on.



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endimion on 02 October 2015
PotentHerbs said:
endimion said:

So wait cause some people don't like halo, gears and forza those studio are suppose to suck and MS too???? Considering halo is the best Sci FI FPS out there if not the best, gears same deal for TPS and forza also on console for SIM racing and horizon for open world racer I can hardly see how they can be called a joke... You don't like it fine... But it's still an excellent first party line up considering it's the best in their respective categories...
There is reason I don't get or like the other platform and a big one is because they don't have those excellent games... And there suppose great 1st party don't produce anything that even remotely tingle my man parts with curiosity or excitement.... QB, see of thieves, scalebound, recore, crackdown interest me way more than PS offering..maybe ninty but they are in their own category IMO

forgot halo wars best RTS on console....

with killer instinct one of the best fighter.... Actually the competition is lucky they don't do platformers and action,RPG they'd be dominating every genre by a mile

Action/ adventure, hack & slash, fighting, RPG's, sports, platforming all go handily to Sony, its not like MS hasn't made an attempt/ funded any of these genres. Halo 5 has a "Sci - Fi FPS" setting lmao its an FPS at the end of the day. It's like saying inFamous Second Son is the best superhero open world game & BloodBorne is the best Victorian era RPG & giving the nod to Sony for besting MS in those "categories." Simply a stretch. 

pretty sure ninty takes more than half of the first part easily and historically.... And few of them are niche from the market share pov...

sports what sports EA and 2k control that and they are multiplat....

and halo OK it's an FPS if you want still the best easily on console..



ice on 02 October 2015
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
I think Microsoft's 1st party lineup so far this gen is better than sony 's has been, but its early so far.
kill zone shadowfall - 5/10
knack - 4.5/10
infamous second son - 9/10
the order 1886 - 8/10
mlb the show - 5.5/10
bloodbourne - 8/10
god of war 3 remasterd - 7/5/10

halo master chief collection - 9/10 ( the sheer amount of content is amazing and all future collections should be compared to this for the standard ) ( I never had a issue with the online, I know others did )
gears of war ultimate edition - 9/10
rare replay - 8.2/10
forza 5 - 7.5/10
forza 6 - 9.3/10
forza horizon 2 - 8.6/10

I know I might have missed a game for each, but I stated the retail aa or aaa games. I didn't mention any indie games , because I know they can be close to a high level game with the right budget and direction. But I like the big scope games more and indie games are just that indie...


I think the overall output is better on MS's side but I think that'll change soon. Anyways this thread is talking about MS's current first party studios

MMC - 3/4 was made by Bungie (Former MS studio)

GoW - Originally made by Epic

Horizon 2 - Made by 2nd party

Now I get the "games are games, idc who they are made by" thing, I can relate but I thought it'll be interesting to solely talk about the First party studios.



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PotentHerbs on 02 October 2015
endimion said:
PotentHerbs said:

Action/ adventure, hack & slash, fighting, RPG's, sports, platforming all go handily to Sony, its not like MS hasn't made an attempt/ funded any of these genres. Halo 5 has a "Sci - Fi FPS" setting lmao its an FPS at the end of the day. It's like saying inFamous Second Son is the best superhero open world game & BloodBorne is the best Victorian era RPG & giving the nod to Sony for besting MS in those "categories." Simply a stretch. 

pretty sure ninty takes more than half of the first part easily and historically.... And few of them are niche from the market share pov...

sports what sports EA and 2k control that and they are multiplat....

and halo OK it's an FPS if you want still the best easily on console..


I thought you were making a direct XOne/ PS4 comparison.  You did state that "they're lucky the competition doesn't make platformers." Anyways CoD (as milked as it is) can definitely make a case for best FPS on console. I'd say Sony handily takes action/ adventure, RPG (s/o to Pokemon though), hack & slash + QTE. Fighting is debateable because of Smash & it's close with platforming between Sony/ Nintendo. 



Sharpryno on 02 October 2015

Meanwhile the PS4's best game is from a second party studio and nothing from their first party studios is even close imo. 



LudicrousSpeed on 02 October 2015
only777 said:

It's just not that simple.  I could say Super Time Force was made only for profit, in just the same way as the latest COD game.  Both are just souless profit machines.  But ths is simply not true.

It is that simple. That's business.

Super Time Force was born out of a game jam and worked on for periods of time whenever its creators had free time. I have no doubts THEY enjoy making art and don't care about the business. But MS published the game because they saw potential. In both the game and the revenue it could bring. I am sure plenty of Sony developers consider what they make as art and could not care less about the money. But if they bring a demo or idea to their boss and he shows it to his boss and its decided there is no financial incentive for pursuing that project, it won't get greenlit. I know Sony said recently a lot of their games don't make money... that's not on purpose.

I'm not sure why people get defensive over this. There's nothing wrong with being in business to make money. It's not as if any of these companies are small time local Mom and Pop shops. These are huge corporations. Microsoft made tons of their money off of shady PC elements. Last I checked, Sony makes most of their money selling insurance. It's not as if you aren't allowed to want to make money, AND also care about putting out quality games.

My favorite Sony studio used to be Zipper, before Sony closed them down. If Sony prefers to make art, why did they close Zipper? And if Sony prefers to make art, why did they meddle with the artists making SOCOM 4 and make them change it into a shitty CoD clone (according to a known former Zipper dev on GAF)? Could it be *gasp* to try and make more money?

Anyways, I am out of this thread.



Bryank75 on 02 October 2015
LtDrake said:
sasquatchmontana said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

So I have to ask now that you have said all of that. You said you would take all those sequels over a barren holiday lineup? Why? What is so important about the last 3 months of the year that you would take games then over having them through out the year?

You're asking the wrong guy, guy. You want to speak to the ones bigging up Bloodborne and the Order as evidently it was supposedly more important to have those games in Q1 and a barren Q3 & 4 then say, have a barren Q1 & Q2, but many games in Q3 & 4.

It personally doesn't matter to me, but it must be said. We can't have them having double standards now the positions have switched.

Sony had GOW III Remastered, Until Dwan and Tearaway: Unfolded in Q3, so not a barren Q3 lineup.


Other games like Everybodys gone to the Rapture too. I think they just do very little marketing compared to MS. Uncharted Collection start of October then.... why would they launch games in months that are overloaded with heavy hitters like FO4. That would be a rookie move, ROTR is a huge mistake.

Gears remaster and Forza 6 just came and went..... 

Bit of a disaster for MS. But hey, just buy a middleware company and screw the whole industry like a spoiled child.....



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 02 October 2015
Sharpryno said:

Meanwhile the PS4's best game is from a second party studio and nothing from their first party studios is even close imo. 

Nobody cares about 1st place brah.



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