I think you guys on about PMD forget one thing about the latest 2 entries vs the others. Time/darkness is 2 versions, some people double dip and its more like a traditional Pokemon game in that sense so its going to sell more. It started out better than red rescue team and blue rescue team individually which is good. All it needs to do now is have some series legs and reach 700k+ in Japan. If they really rebounded from gates to infinity then it should do it.

Good sales for both SMM and Splatoon! Hopefully Splatoon will at least manage to stay above 10k for the following weeks!

That doesn't make sense. Third versions are never clumped together with their original games. That's not the case with Monster Hunter, YW or mainline Pokemon so it doesn't make sense here.

And yeah, the 3DS install base is bigger but Gates to Infinity launched on the system when there were no RPG Pokemon games at all (mainline or otherwise), and less games in general. It simply had less competition. 

And Pokemon is still number 1 on Nintendo handhelds. By far, even. Here are the top 10 best selling games on the 3DS in Japan, as of August 2015:

01. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) – 4.472.004
02. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) – 4.359.607
03. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) – 3.556.119
04. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso / Honke (Level 5) {2014.07.10} (¥4.968) – 3.155.841
05. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire (Pokemon Co.) {2014.11.21} (¥4.937) – 2.831.984
06. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Shin Uchi (Level 5) {2014.12.13} (¥4.968) – 2.612.075
07. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥6.264) – 2.559.913
08. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) – 2.423.837
09. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) – 2.361.349
10. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (¥5.616) – 2.348.419

Yes, Pokemon spinoffs are no longer as massive as they used to be (which makes sense, because it's not the "hot new thing" anymore, and hasn't been for a long time), but in reality, it's still the most successful game series on the platform. X/Y are the best selling games, and I wouldn't be surprised to see ORAS over 3m LT. 

The thing is that YW during this time is at its peak. Actually, I'd say it's past the peak considering there have been reports of it fading in popularity in Japan. So, let's just say that its peak is the 3.15m sales set by Ganso/Honke. That didn't beat X/Y, which is like the 13th game in the series, and it barely beat ORAS, which is a remake. I'd hardly say that it's "crippled" Pokemon, especially when Black/White sold about 15.6m and X/Y will likely end around there, and that was way before Yokai Watch on the massively popular DS. But yes, it's more prevalent currently in popular culture so obviously its fresh, new spinoffs are going to sell more than Pokemon's spinoffs which have been around for ages. 

Furthermore, Monster Hunter is a completely different market than both Pokemon and Yokai. It appeals to different people in general. And its sales are still significantly lower than Pokemon. There haven't really been any spinoffs of that franchise on the 3DS (except that remaster of the PSP game which sold <100k) so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there.

Dragon Quest remakes sell, yes. Less than Pokemon remakes still.

The deal with Animal Crossing is that Happy Home Designer is still only the second game of that brand on the 3DS, whereas Pokemon has had about a million at this point. It's also essentially the same genre, just more focused on a single task, while Mystery Dungeon is vastly different than typical Pokemon. I'd say that HHD appeals to more casual players while people who picked up SMD were more core fans of either series.

I'd say that 500k for SMD is very likely, especially since there isn't a mainline Pokemon this year and the game should have better word of mouth than Gates. I fail to see how the launch is in any way a flop, or how in the 400-500k range would be a flop. But I guess I have to agree to disagree with many here.

Third, enhanced versions whatever such a game is called, I think it makes sense these games are not usually expected to sell aswell as originals. Simply because they are not completely new games which means the majority of people who bought the originals are not very likely to buy the new version. That's why I think it is not fair to do 1:1 comparison against Explorers of Sky. Like comparing (future) YW3 to YW2: Shinuchi, I don't think it is the right comparison to be made.

Pokemon is number 1 looking at the longevity of success alone but like I said it's position has weakened not crippled. YW3 is a serious threat and the series could at least temporarily (for a few years) take the number spot, however that does not mean anything in the long run against a proven colossus like Pokemon. But YW is a legit threat. I think YWB is showing the series is still growing and has proven spin-offs can sell which gives perspective to Super Mystery Dungeon FW sales.

Yes, Monster Hunter attracts different audience but not 100%. My point was, MH4 selling 3,5m, it is not very farfetched to think it could have eaten a small amount of Pokemon sales. The same with YW and when you combine both it can easily make 400-500k difference (I'm making these numbers but you get the point).

I'm not putting DQ and AC against Pokemon. Just saying 3DS has had 3 big sellers in a relatively short timespan. People who bought any of those 3 titles recently are not very likely to buy Super Mystery Dungeon. In this sense, I feel MHX has the perfect timing.

I just threw 500k for starters, anything less is not good in my mind. It's still over 3xFW sales and the burden is now completely on having good legs. But, never count out a Pokemon game.

Not always true. In fact, there are 3 versions of Monster Hunter 2, which both versions outdoing the previous one. Before Monster Hunter Portable 3, Monster Hunter Portable 2G (which is expanded version of Portable 2, which is portable verison of MH2) was the best selling in the series. The huge increase in popularity of the overall series has a big play in that though, as the series has plateau'd a bit below the peak.

Nice example, though special conditions are needed like you mentioned. Different example could be (at least worldwide) Tearaway and Gravity Rush PS4 versions. I can't see how Sony would have greenlighted these two if they didn't think there is potential for the PS4 versions to outsell the originals. And of course to keep these promising IP's alive for future installments.

I want to see the week (28-4) after the current one.. Not to see how much PS4 sells on price drop week but to see how Yoru and Xanadu perform. Were any games released on the week whose numbers we'll get later today?

jeez that ps4 drop is bad. Like shockingly bad. Hopefully the price drop will bring numbers back up. I thought that Vita sales would be higher with all those new models being released. I wonder how long before that drops again.

There are no new models.
Sony only released 3 new colours.