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Ruler said:
lol Destiny is turning to a Joke


It started as one.



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ethomaz said:
Neodegenerate said:

Far from fine when it is content that I was able to access without it the day before.  The expansion has actually devalued the original.  No game that I know of, ever, has done this.

The end of the game content is locked until you buy The Taken King.

Why? They increased the end of game content level that can only be reached if you have The Taken King.
Why? The end of game content needs to be at the highest level.

But the maps and pvp modes I played last week? They unlocked it for only one week to you have a taste of The Taken King.

So which content you don't have access? Tell me... what modes or events you can't play anymore?

Having different ways to play the limited content available is content in a game like this. Hence, less ways to play is less content.

They've given us less options than just days before to force us into upgrading. If you can't see why that's gross... well I don't know what to tell you.

My favorite things about Destiny was doing dailies and playing some Control PVP. I'm pretty much locked out of that until I upgrade.



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Well that is nasty, shows how greedy they've become and deserve all the hate they're getting.



Mr Puggsly said:

Having different ways to play the limited content available is content in a game like this. Hence, less ways to play is less content.

They've given us less options than just days before to force us into upgrading. If you can't see why that's gross... well I don't know what to tell you.

My favorite things about Destiny was doing dailies and playing some Control PVP. I'm pretty much locked out of that until I upgrade.

The daily is locked because they choose a locked one... I don't know how the list is defined (random?) but I guess when an year 1 dailly be choose you will can play it with select low difficult.

The Control existis yet but seems like it is random now with Clash in the 6x6 mode... maybe they separete them soon.

I think all these critics can be reported in the Bungie.net site... they did pretty good util now with the players feedback.



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ganoncrotch said:
XanderXT said:
Burek said:
People are just being petty and unreasonable. I don't see many claiming illegal actions when annual sports titles shut down servers and lock out old players who do not upgrade to a newer version.
You paid $60 a year ago, I say you had plenty of fun with it. And you still can have plenty of fun, but not as much as people willing to pay extra for expansions.
More money -> more music!

Also, a lot of people complained that Destiny is boring and repetitive, and now they are complaining that they cannot continue that boredom and repeat the same strike over and over again.

That's gaming today, it just seems that many never enjoy games but only seek reasons to complain. May I suggest a switch of hobbies - knitting is also a lot of fun, lasts for a long time, no DLC and the content is never blocked off by the yarn producing companies.

But look at other MMOs. They don't lock people out if they don't buy the expansions packs.

They do tho?

I mean if you buy world of warcraft now you're going to never get to really play with the main games players in any content unless you shell out for the expansions. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here or maybe this is just Destiny bringing a lot of fps players into a world with expansions, but that sort of thing is the norm, you don't buy the expansion - you don't get to play with the people who did.


it isn't being locked out of the new content that bothers me,.. it is being locked out of the old content.  no more weekly stikes, no more nightfalls, no more eries bounties, no more stike playlists, a fraction of the pvp modes.  destiny isn't a game i bought for $85,.. it is a games i borrowed from destiny for a year at $85.  



ethomaz said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Having different ways to play the limited content available is content in a game like this. Hence, less ways to play is less content.

They've given us less options than just days before to force us into upgrading. If you can't see why that's gross... well I don't know what to tell you.

My favorite things about Destiny was doing dailies and playing some Control PVP. I'm pretty much locked out of that until I upgrade.

The daily is locked because they choose a locked one... I don't know how the list is defined (random?) but I guess when an year 1 dailly be choose you will can play it with select low difficult.

The Control existis yet but seems like it is random now with Clash in the 6x6 mode... maybe they separete them soon.

I think all these critics can be reported in the Bungie.net site... they did pretty good util now with the players feedback.

Well coincidently the dailies seem to be only for Taken King users. There should be dailies for people with and without Taken King. Crucible took away our ability to go directly into the modes we enjoy. Even my Season Pass content has lost value.

Why bother defending? Bungie is flat out screwing users for not upgrading to Taken King.



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kitler53 said:
ganoncrotch said:

They do tho?

I mean if you buy world of warcraft now you're going to never get to really play with the main games players in any content unless you shell out for the expansions. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here or maybe this is just Destiny bringing a lot of fps players into a world with expansions, but that sort of thing is the norm, you don't buy the expansion - you don't get to play with the people who did.


it isn't being locked out of the new content that bothers me,.. it is being locked out of the old content.  no more weekly stikes, no more nightfalls, no more eries bounties, no more stike playlists, a fraction of the pvp modes.  destiny isn't a game i bought for $85,.. it is a games i borrowed from destiny for a year at $85.  


While in other mmos say WoW for example it would be possible for you to enter lvl 60 raids or pvp with vanilla version of the game, it simply isn't possible to really gather up 40 other people who haven't gotten any expansions and to go and do vanilla raiding content as it was in the original game, either people will have gotten item drops from beyond the first expansion with far greater stats or are just players who aren't willing to commit an extra 20 euros to play the game and as such are definitely incapable of doing vanila raids.

Not sure if you get what I mean, but the tl:dr of it is that content could be left open, but really it can't be accessed still as it was in the original version of WoW.

How expensive is the taken king even? 20-40euros? for effectively a years worth of new content, is that really so expensive when the next Fifa is coming out which can cost almost double that and wont offer a full year of content?



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ganoncrotch said:

While in other mmos say WoW for example it would be possible for you to enter lvl 60 raids or pvp with vanilla version of the game, it simply isn't possible to really gather up 40 other people who haven't gotten any expansions and to go and do vanilla raiding content as it was in the original game, either people will have gotten item drops from beyond the first expansion with far greater stats or are just players who aren't willing to commit an extra 20 euros to play the game and as such are definitely incapable of doing vanila raids.

Not sure if you get what I mean, but the tl:dr of it is that content could be left open, but really it can't be accessed still as it was in the original version of WoW.

How expensive is the taken king even? 20-40euros? for effectively a years worth of new content, is that really so expensive when the next Fifa is coming out which can cost almost double that and wont offer a full year of content?

Sorry, but it is still not the same thing. If i can or can't put 20 people together is my problem, but i can still try it. And while players with expansions are bound to not have interest in old raid gear, you can still get them to do the content at least once, as most of people don't manage to do raids at its level cap.

Not to mention that blizzard actually adds a ton of things that even those who don't buy the expansions can enjoy, like the pokemon rip-off in game. Losing access to content is NOT normal.

Lastly, saying TTK has one year of worth content is pushing it a little don't you think? And would still be no excuse to locking old content behind it. The problem is not if TTK worths its price or not, but if it is ok to take from the $100 content people already had. Content that was never advertised as temporary or subscription based, which is the opposite of WoW or any other MMORPG, that by default let you know your access depends of a monthly fee.

If Bungie want to create a subscription based game it is ok, as long as they warn people BEFORE the game or content is bought.



ganoncrotch said:
kitler53 said:


it isn't being locked out of the new content that bothers me,.. it is being locked out of the old content.  no more weekly stikes, no more nightfalls, no more eries bounties, no more stike playlists, a fraction of the pvp modes.  destiny isn't a game i bought for $85,.. it is a games i borrowed from destiny for a year at $85.  


While in other mmos say WoW for example it would be possible for you to enter lvl 60 raids or pvp with vanilla version of the game, it simply isn't possible to really gather up 40 other people who haven't gotten any expansions and to go and do vanilla raiding content as it was in the original game, either people will have gotten item drops from beyond the first expansion with far greater stats or are just players who aren't willing to commit an extra 20 euros to play the game and as such are definitely incapable of doing vanila raids.

Not sure if you get what I mean, but the tl:dr of it is that content could be left open, but really it can't be accessed still as it was in the original version of WoW.

How expensive is the taken king even? 20-40euros? for effectively a years worth of new content, is that really so expensive when the next Fifa is coming out which can cost almost double that and wont offer a full year of content?


The size of a raid party in WoW vs the size of a Nightfall Strike (3 people) or daily mission (1 person) makes this argument a little lopsided, though I understand where you are coming from.

What Bungie SHOULD do is make two tiers of daily missions, nightfall strikes, and any other content that got changed after year 1.  This way those who have just the vanilla game can continue playing everything they have played up to this point, and the year 2 players can access everything.