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ohmylanta1003 on 17 September 2015
spemanig said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

How many times do you need to be proven wrong before you chill with this nonsense about the console industry morphing into steam? NPD already showed that 75% of core gamers PREFER physical. That's right... 75%. This means that your views on the issue are WAY out of touch with reality. 

You and anyone else can prefer digital. It's your money, and I don't care. But you have to understand that it's not the people buying phyiscal that is out of touch... it's you. 


The fact that it's only 75% of gamers on consoles proves my point if anything. 25% of people have already moved onto digital on consoles that are primerily physical consoles. 100% of people bought CDs until MP3 players, mainly the iPod, killed them. Once the first digital only console from one of the big three is released, which will be the NX, physical gaming will die on consoles just like it's died for over 125 million active Steam users who are digital only. And Gamestop will go out of business shortly after because it refused to adapt, just like Blockbuster before it.

Which, if it wasn't already obvious by my wording of "consoles," means that your "75% of core gamers" statistic is flat out wrong. I'm perfectly in touch. Get your facts straight.


I don't want to get banned for flaming again, but I think you're (anyone, not just you) rather...um...silly if you don't think that the console industry will eventually switch over to primarily digital. It's pretty hard to disagree with spemanig here.



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thismeintiel on 17 September 2015
nanarchy said:
sounds like a very short sighted strategy. like it or not digital is the future of gaming. I guess they don't have a lot of choice though as digital is gradually eroding and destroying their business model, still I would have hoped they would find ways to innovate rather than create policies rooted in the past.

Yep.  That's why music is no longer put on CDs.  Or movies on DVDs/Blu-rays.  This digital only is the future is just BS.  Physical and digital will live together for decades.  The only way for digital to completely take over is if the internet EVERYWHERE got so fast 50GB-100GB games only took a couple minutes to download.  Or we could transport physical bonuses in collector editions through the net.  Not going to happen anytime soon.



 

Low78wagon on 17 September 2015

I'm so tired of this digital love b.s. why in the hell would you want digital? Just to be more lazy? If consoles go digital only I might as well just go shitty pc and not enjoy part of gaming anymore. To me physical discs, carts, cards etc are part of gaming. So digital amiibos too or what?



Mr Puggsly on 17 September 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
But... I thought GameStop were evil?

Nice to see them doing the right thing for once. Go GameStop!

Well they are doing it for themselves. They are in the business of selling used games.

They want to buy those copies back at a fraction of the cost and sell them for $55.



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Frogger on 17 September 2015
thismeintiel said:

Yep.  That's why music is no longer put on CDs.  Or movies on DVDs/Blu-rays.  This digital only is the future is just BS.  Physical and digital will live together for decades.  The only way for digital to completely take over is if the internet EVERYWHERE got so fast 50GB-100GB games only took a couple minutes to download.  Or we could transport physical bonuses in collector editions through the net.  Not going to happen anytime soon.


The difference in that reguard is that unlike music, movies, and books, games are tied to platforms. You can play and one CD on like 2,000 different CD players. Same with movies, and books. It's literally impossible for those to become 100% digital, because anyone in their basement can burn a CD, burn a DVD, print a copy of a book, and it'll play on any DVD player or any bluray player or be printed on any paper.

With games, that won't happen, because you can only play your copy of the game on the platform it's intended for. You can only play XBO games on XBO. You can only play PS4 games on PS4. You can only play Wii U games on Wii U. In the hypothetical world where the NX, PS5, and XB2 don't have disc drives, where do you think you're getting those physical games and where do you think you're playing them? Answer - no where, because no one will make them because there will be nothing to play them.

If Sony stopped making DVD players, would DVDs stop being a thing? No. Why? Because the the first DVD player in the world will still be able to play the last DVD ever made, and anyone can make that DVD. If Sony releases a PS5 without a disk drive, would disks not be made for the PS5? Fucking obviously, because unlike with books, movies, and music, there is no other choice. You will either buy the game digitally, or you won't buy the game at all.

In order for physical media to die 100% with movies, you'd have to stop thousands of companies from making new DVD, VHS, and bluray players, and then you'd have to destroy every existing DVD, VHS, and blueray player in the world. In order for physical media to die 100% with games, you merely have to stop three companies from releasing their next gaming platforms with a disk drive.

That's it. Let's not act like the example's are even remotely comparable.



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iTzCharlie on 17 September 2015

They are scared, 5 years and digital destroy them and i'm happy because their price are shit



thismeintiel on 17 September 2015
spemanig said:
thismeintiel said:

Yep.  That's why music is no longer put on CDs.  Or movies on DVDs/Blu-rays.  This digital only is the future is just BS.  Physical and digital will live together for decades.  The only way for digital to completely take over is if the internet EVERYWHERE got so fast 50GB-100GB games only took a couple minutes to download.  Or we could transport physical bonuses in collector editions through the net.  Not going to happen anytime soon.


The difference in that reguard is that unlike music, movies, and books, games are tied to platforms. You can play and one CD on like 2,000 different CD players. Same with movies, and books. It's literally impossible for those to become 100% digital, because anyone in their basement can burn a CD, burn a DVD, print a copy of a book, and it'll play on any DVD player or any bluray player or be printed on any paper.

With games, that won't happen, because you can only play your copy of the game on the platform it's intended for. You can only play XBO games on XBO. You can only play PS4 games on PS4. You can only play Wii U games on Wii U. In the hypothetical world where the NX, PS5, and XB2 don't have disc drives, where do you think you're getting those physical games and where do you think you're playing them? Answer - no where, because no one will make them because there will be nothing to play them.

If Sony stopped making DVD players, would DVDs stop being a thing? No. Why? Because the the first DVD player in the world will still be able to play the last DVD ever made, and anyone can make that DVD. If Sony releases a PS5 without a disk drive, would disks not be made for the PS5? Fucking obviously, because unlike with books, movies, and music, there is no other choice. You will either buy the game digitally, or you won't buy the game at all.

In order for physical media to die 100% with movies, you'd have to stop thousands of companies from making new DVD, VHS, and bluray players, and then you'd have to destroy every existing DVD, VHS, and blueray player in the world. In order for physical media to die 100% with games, you merely have to stop three companies from releasing their next gaming platforms with a disk drive.

That's it. Let's not act like the example's are even remotely comparable.

What a horrible argument.  The market decides these things, not the companies who make the players.  If CD and DVD/Bluray sales dried up, no one would make the players anymore.  The same goes for home consoles.  If the market decides it doesn't want to go digital only, no console maker would be dumb enough to go that way, otherwise those who prefer physical discs will go with your competition.  And those who prefer physical are the vast majority, so no one is going to do it.  Well, someone might, but they will fail.



 

jlmurph2 on 17 September 2015
thismeintiel said:
theprof00 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
But... I thought GameStop were evil?

Nice to see them doing the right thing for once. Go GameStop!

They are.

The idea is to get the consumer to then sell the physical copy to them used, which they will turn a profit on.

Yes, cause profit is SO evil.  /s


When you're making profit and not giving any of it to the people who made the game, its pretty evil.



PAOerfulone on 17 September 2015
thismeintiel said:
spemanig said:
thismeintiel said:

Yep.  That's why music is no longer put on CDs.  Or movies on DVDs/Blu-rays.  This digital only is the future is just BS.  Physical and digital will live together for decades.  The only way for digital to completely take over is if the internet EVERYWHERE got so fast 50GB-100GB games only took a couple minutes to download.  Or we could transport physical bonuses in collector editions through the net.  Not going to happen anytime soon.


The difference in that reguard is that unlike music, movies, and books, games are tied to platforms. You can play and one CD on like 2,000 different CD players. Same with movies, and books. It's literally impossible for those to become 100% digital, because anyone in their basement can burn a CD, burn a DVD, print a copy of a book, and it'll play on any DVD player or any bluray player or be printed on any paper.

With games, that won't happen, because you can only play your copy of the game on the platform it's intended for. You can only play XBO games on XBO. You can only play PS4 games on PS4. You can only play Wii U games on Wii U. In the hypothetical world where the NX, PS5, and XB2 don't have disc drives, where do you think you're getting those physical games and where do you think you're playing them? Answer - no where, because no one will make them because there will be nothing to play them.

If Sony stopped making DVD players, would DVDs stop being a thing? No. Why? Because the the first DVD player in the world will still be able to play the last DVD ever made, and anyone can make that DVD. If Sony releases a PS5 without a disk drive, would disks not be made for the PS5? Fucking obviously, because unlike with books, movies, and music, there is no other choice. You will either buy the game digitally, or you won't buy the game at all.

In order for physical media to die 100% with movies, you'd have to stop thousands of companies from making new DVD, VHS, and bluray players, and then you'd have to destroy every existing DVD, VHS, and blueray player in the world. In order for physical media to die 100% with games, you merely have to stop three companies from releasing their next gaming platforms with a disk drive.

That's it. Let's not act like the example's are even remotely comparable.

What a horrible argument.  The market decides these things, not the companies who make the players.  If CD and DVD/Bluray sales dried up, no one would make the players anymore.  The same goes for home consoles.  If the market decides it doesn't want to go digital only, no console maker would be dumb enough to go that way, otherwise those who prefer physical discs will go with your competition.  And those who prefer physical are the vast majority, so no one is going to do it.  Well, someone might, but they will fail.


And it's for that reason why if Nintendo is making the NX all digital, I'm taking my money and going to either Sony or Microsoft.



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Snoopy on 17 September 2015
jlmurph2 said:
thismeintiel said:
theprof00 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
But... I thought GameStop were evil?

Nice to see them doing the right thing for once. Go GameStop!

They are.

The idea is to get the consumer to then sell the physical copy to them used, which they will turn a profit on.

Yes, cause profit is SO evil.  /s


When you're making profit and not giving any of it to the people who made the game, its pretty evil.

This so much. People don't realize how much these publishers are investing to make these games and the risk they are running. This is why we are not getting much new ips this generation. Why invest millions if people are just going to buy your games used? This is why I supported the 24 hour check in with the Xbox one. It is like the early colonist once said in USA. If you're not expanding, you're going to explode.