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On a cheat day, are you more likely to eat pizza or ice cream?

Pizza 108 48.65%
 
Ice Cream 38 17.12%
 
I'm vegan so I only eat grass 17 7.66%
 
I produce my food via photosynthesis 23 10.36%
 
What is food; game is life 36 16.22%
 
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Samus Aran on 29 August 2015
Normchacho said:
Samus Aran said:
Wagram said:

That simply isn't true and regardless of what Halo 5 scores critically, that is a big ass game for the platform.

It's crazy how people can even say Fat Princess can compete with Halo 5 because it might get a higher score on metacritic. More people will have fun with Halo 5 than with some highly rated artsy indie game like Flower, Bastion, Guacamelee, Runbow and Journey combined (games that are reviewed against much lower standards than retail games).


I would hope they would be scored against different standards, you could buy 4 of those for the price of Halo 5...

I wasn't talking about content only though. ;)

Take Xeodrifter for example, a bland, generic and short Metroid knock-off and it still has 80% on metacritic. It's much cheaper and better to just buy a Metroid game on the Wii U VC.



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Normchacho on 29 August 2015
Samus Aran said:
Normchacho said:
Samus Aran said:
Wagram said:

 




I would hope they would be scored against different standards, you could buy 4 of those for the price of Halo 5...

I wasn't talking about content only though. ;)

Take Xeodrifter for example, a bland, generic and short Metroid knock-off and it still has 80% on metacritic. It's much cheaper and better to just buy a Metroid game on the Wii U VC.

Xeodrifter is a 75 on Metacritic...Axiom Verge would have been a better example, which is also very Metroid-esque. But Axiom Verge is actually really good.



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Samus Aran on 29 August 2015
twintail said:
Samus Aran said:
twintail said:

I'm obviously talking games as they pertain to ps4, x1 and wiiu only.

You're trying to make Nintendo look bad because they actually support two platforms instead of Sony who gave up on the Vita after only a year?

Besides, you included games that were available on two or more platforms, hardly exclusive... When did the definition of exclusive change to "not on Wii U/XBONE"?

As for UC Collection, hardly a new game. I got a bigger graphical upgrade by playing Xenoblade Chronicles on the gamepad instead of an HD TV than you will with UC Collection compared to the original trilogy.


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Are Nintendo fans always so on edge? 

Ok let me rectifiy this before this gets out of hand: i wasn't saying anything bad about Nintendo. Your need to defend Nintendo here for making games for 2 platforms is just unncessary. The TC was talking about PS4 and X1. I was merely making the point that there were more games coming to the PS4 than the X1. I added Nintendo merely as a point of reference to counter the TC's point that Sony was on the losing side of exclusive games. My point was that this is not the case. If you think I was slandering Nintendo or something then please just chill out and realise I wasn't. It was a point of reference, and that only. And I am sure other ppl recognised this. 

The usage of 'exclusive'  has grown and become more dynamic over the years. You have a specific device exclusive, like Halo 5. You have console maker exclusive like Persona 5 as it only appears on PS devices but not on a single device.  You have console exclusives where the game appears on a specified console but also appears on other non-console devices (mainly PC) like Talos Principle. You get generation specific exclusives where ppl talk about a game in relation to other devices only of that generation. 

This is how we all talk about exclusives. This topic is about the PS4 and X1. We are talking only about those 2 parameters. A game that only appears on the PS4 and not the X1 makes it a PS4 exclusive in this regard because those 2 consoles are the only defining factors we are using to guage games in this topic.

 

BUT

 

since this offends you, let me rephrase this. 

PS4 has more exclusive games than X1 coming from Oct - Dec (and had more from the beginning of this year so far).

X1 has Halo 5. PS4 has Disgaea 5, Dragon Quest Heroes, and Shadow of the Beast and Tomorrow Children (both dated for this year). Even if we dont include the last 2 games there are still more PS4 only games coming than X1.

So ultimately, my point still stands. 

and your UC to XB comparison is pretty lol-worthy: as if graphics are the only thing that makes UCC different from the original PS3 games.

You were talking about companies and their exclusives not consoles.

And no the definition of exclusives has not changed, maybe to some Sony fans.

So it's not allowed for xbone games to run on Windows 10 (you know, the OS MS owns), or be Windows exclusives (xbone runs on Windows), but PS exclusives do count? Dragon Quest Heroes is on the PS3. And let's not pretend this is anything more than a musou game. Shadow of the Beast has no release date and is a reboot to a sub-par/terrible game. Shadow of the Beast and Tomorrow Children are only PSN titles anyway, and you're going to compare that to Halo 5?

So tell me, why does Dragon Quest Heroes count, but Tomb Raider doesn't?

You can spin however you want, but the xbone has 3 big games coming up for the rest of the year while the PS4 has zero.

As for the changes in UCC, taking out the multiplayer of UC 2 & 3 isn't a good thing you know. That photo mode they're adding must be quite something...



sabvre42 on 29 August 2015
Samus Aran said:
twintail said:
Samus Aran said:
twintail said:

I'm obviously talking games as they pertain to ps4, x1 and wiiu only.

You're trying to make Nintendo look bad because they actually support two platforms instead of Sony who gave up on the Vita after only a year?

Besides, you included games that were available on two or more platforms, hardly exclusive... When did the definition of exclusive change to "not on Wii U/XBONE"?

As for UC Collection, hardly a new game. I got a bigger graphical upgrade by playing Xenoblade Chronicles on the gamepad instead of an HD TV than you will with UC Collection compared to the original trilogy.


...

Are Nintendo fans always so on edge? 

Ok let me rectifiy this before this gets out of hand: i wasn't saying anything bad about Nintendo. Your need to defend Nintendo here for making games for 2 platforms is just unncessary. The TC was talking about PS4 and X1. I was merely making the point that there were more games coming to the PS4 than the X1. I added Nintendo merely as a point of reference to counter the TC's point that Sony was on the losing side of exclusive games. My point was that this is not the case. If you think I was slandering Nintendo or something then please just chill out and realise I wasn't. It was a point of reference, and that only. And I am sure other ppl recognised this. 

The usage of 'exclusive'  has grown and become more dynamic over the years. You have a specific device exclusive, like Halo 5. You have console maker exclusive like Persona 5 as it only appears on PS devices but not on a single device.  You have console exclusives where the game appears on a specified console but also appears on other non-console devices (mainly PC) like Talos Principle. You get generation specific exclusives where ppl talk about a game in relation to other devices only of that generation. 

This is how we all talk about exclusives. This topic is about the PS4 and X1. We are talking only about those 2 parameters. A game that only appears on the PS4 and not the X1 makes it a PS4 exclusive in this regard because those 2 consoles are the only defining factors we are using to guage games in this topic.

 

BUT

 

since this offends you, let me rephrase this. 

PS4 has more exclusive games than X1 coming from Oct - Dec (and had more from the beginning of this year so far).

X1 has Halo 5. PS4 has Disgaea 5, Dragon Quest Heroes, and Shadow of the Beast and Tomorrow Children (both dated for this year). Even if we dont include the last 2 games there are still more PS4 only games coming than X1.

So ultimately, my point still stands. 

and your UC to XB comparison is pretty lol-worthy: as if graphics are the only thing that makes UCC different from the original PS3 games.

You were talking about companies and their exclusives not consoles.

And no the definition of exclusives has not changed, maybe to some Sony fans.

So it's not allowed for xbone games to run on Windows 10 (you know, the OS MS owns), or be Windows exclusives (xbone runs on Windows), but PS exclusives do count? Dragon Quest Heroes is on the PS3. And let's not pretend this is anything more than a musou game. Shadow of the Beast has no release date and is a reboot to a sub-par/terrible game. Shadow of the Beast and Tomorrow Children are only PSN titles anyway, and you're going to compare that to Halo 5?

So tell me, why does Dragon Quest Heroes count, but Tomb Raider doesn't?

You can spin however you want, but the xbone has 3 big games coming up for the rest of the year while the PS4 has zero.

As for the changes in UCC, taking out the multiplayer of UC 2 & 3 isn't a good thing you know. That photo mode they're adding must be quite something...


Funny how Halo:MCC counted last fall, but UCC doesn't this year?



Samus Aran on 29 August 2015
sabvre42 said:
 


Funny how Halo:MCC counted last fall, but UCC doesn't this year?

Halo: MCC includes a never before done remake of Halo 2.

I never said UCC didn't count, but it's nothing more than a collection of already released games. Not comparable to Halo 5, Tomb Raider or Forza 6. It's better than Gears of War: R, cause you know, 3 games, but that's about it.

As for Wii U it has Super Mario Maker, Star Fox Zero, Fatal Frame V and Xenoblade Chronicles X.

Not that this whole discussion matters really, third party games are more important than exclusives when it comes to selling consoles and the PS4 has more than enough of those for the rest of the year (as does xbone). Brag about that if you want, but if you're going to call their exclusive line-up for the rest of the year the best I'm going to disagree with you on every step of the way.



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DialgaMarine on 30 August 2015

Honestly, I think Sony's approach of not having their own blockbuster exclusives for this holiday was a brilliant move, at least from a business perspective. There's just so many massive games coming out this holiday from Fallout 4 to BO3 to SWBF to Need For Speed, etc., that it was just the smarter move to get marketing deals with those games. This way they can ensure that more people will be playing those games on their system, while not having to worry about turning a profit on their own title. Let's be honest for a sec. A game like Halo is a guaranteed top seller, but games like Forza 6 and Tomb Raider are going to get slaughtered. Hell, with CoD and SWBF, even Halo may have some trouble selling as well as it has in the past.

As for Sony's AAA lineup for 2016, I'm really digging their schedule so far. It's looking like some pretty solid coming this way for PS4 owners. 



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Conina on 30 August 2015

Perhaps Sony has chosen to pull back a little on the reins in order to give its third-party developers an extended chance to shine on the PS4.

This excuse was widely accepted on another system before. ;)



Zoombael on 30 August 2015
Samus Aran said:

You were talking about companies and their exclusives not consoles.

And no the definition of exclusives has not changed, maybe to some Sony fans.

So it's not allowed for xbone games to run on Windows 10 (you know, the OS MS owns), or be Windows exclusives (xbone runs on Windows), but PS exclusives do count? Dragon Quest Heroes is on the PS3. And let's not pretend this is anything more than a musou game. Shadow of the Beast has no release date and is a reboot to a sub-par/terrible game. Shadow of the Beast and Tomorrow Children are only PSN titles anyway, and you're going to compare that to Halo 5?

So tell me, why does Dragon Quest Heroes count, but Tomb Raider doesn't?

You can spin however you want, but the xbone has 3 big games coming up for the rest of the year while the PS4 has zero.

As for the changes in UCC, taking out the multiplayer of UC 2 & 3 isn't a good thing you know. That photo mode they're adding must be quite something...

Let me rephrase your "solid" arguments:

TheOrder, Bloodborne, Until Dawn

Halo Halo Halo 

Everybodys gone to the Rapture, Drawn to Death, Disgeae 5

Halo Halo Halo

Fat Princess, Alienation, Kill Strain

Halo Halo Halo

Shadow of the Beast, Tomorrow Children

Halo Halo Halo



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celador on 30 August 2015
Samus Aran said:

So tell me, why does Dragon Quest Heroes count, but Tomb Raider doesn't?

You can spin however you want, but the xbone has 3 big games coming up for the rest of the year while the PS4 has zero.

DQH is PS4 only in the west.

Why do big games only count as exclusives to you? It seems that is your own spin you are putting on things. I hope you don't count Fatal Frame as an exclusive on Wii U, given that is most certainly not big itself.



DerNebel on 30 August 2015

Guys, you might as well talk to a brickwall...