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horuhe said:
Ryng_Tolu said:
horuhe said:

Oh, now I got your point. Yes, so in particulary terms October is a bad month. May, it's bad in general terms (something than it's worse). I mean the total of hardware (and software) sold. By the way, why do you think PS4 slowing down? I mean, 10k - 15k, is not that bad, though.

for me, is bad honestly. I think a console should sell at least 20k at week, and more than 50k during December because of course is the holidays time.

So yeah, if you ask me, this week withouth 3DS is pretty poor, expecially if we considering is obon week.

Yeah, I understand that's pretty sad no having 20k per week. However, we're talking about Japan. Things are not as they have usually been. The mobile market is what keeps alive the industry. You can't expect 20k baseline (except for 3DS), from any point of view.

If youre really japanese you should go out and buy a ps4 instead talking about poor ps4 sales, its a great console





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spurgeonryan said:
Bofferbrauer said:

Well Yoshi seems to need some time to unravel it's full potential.


Hopefully America and Europe will help knit everything together sales wise.

The game is already at 90k-100k in Europe after 2 weeks! It is apparently doing better than games like Pikmin 3 and DK so far in that territory!



                
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WC4Life said:
horuhe said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

for me, is bad honestly. I think a console should sell at least 20k at week, and more than 50k during December because of course is the holidays time.

So yeah, if you ask me, this week withouth 3DS is pretty poor, expecially if we considering is obon week.

Yeah, I understand that's pretty sad no having 20k per week. However, we're talking about Japan. Things are not as they have usually been. The mobile market is what keeps alive the industry. You can't expect 20k baseline (except for 3DS), from any point of view.


This. People really need to update their expectasions to 2015 and stop bringing up the past context. 10-15k for PS4 in September/October would already be 50-100% increase YOY in many weeks and if that is not good I don't understand what the fuck people are expecting. It is unrealistic to expect 300% YOY increases to baseline without major japanese big hitters releasing. If PS4 does let's say 15k through September/October then next year, in 2016 with 50% growth the PS4 would have 22,5k baseline and I don't think PS4 will stop there. PS4 is on its way to great sales but it has to walk before it can run.


What i expect? Nothing, i already said what for me should be a good basis of sales, if a console in Japan during a important week can't sell 20k, that's for me is bad.

YOY invrease? What mean YOY increase honestly? Last year PS4 was selling at death level, the double of 0 is 0.

And why next year PS4 should have a 50% increase YOY all week? Of course 2016 can be good for PS4 thanks the week of Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, but i see 0 reason for PS4 to be up YOY so much with nothing. Is just like Wii U in the US, in 2013 was selling at death level, and in 2014 during a normal month withouth new released was easy up YOY, like in April, 35k in 2013 and 48k in 2014. Those Wii U sales was good because a huge YOY increase? Not even close.

That's a similar situation with PS4, is selling better than the death console of last year, but those numbers are still bad.

Just like PSVita, or Wii U.

That's my opinion. 18k this week aren't good.



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Dengeki:

Ranking Last week Models Title name Maker release date Estimated 
number of sales
Cumulative 
sales
1 1 3DS Animal Crossing Happy Home Designer Nintendo 15/07/30 153,451 847,677
2 2 3DS Specter watch Busters white dog Corps Level Five 15/07/11 65,689 798,500
Three Three Wii U Splatoon Nintendo 15/05/28 44,709 573,716
Four Four 3DS Specter watch Busters Akaneko-dan Level Five 15/07/11 34,883 530,706
Five Five 3DS Rhythm Tengoku The Best + Nintendo 15/06/11 31,894 437,363
Six Seven Vita Main Craft: PlayStation Vita edition SCE 15/03/19 13,094 299,152
Seven Nine Wii U Mario Kart 8 Nintendo 14/05/29 8,978 1,065,769
Eight Six Vita Luminous Arc Infinity Marvelous 15/08/06 7,111 24,233
Nine 13 3DS Animal Crossing: New Leaf Nintendo 12/11/08 6,411 3,893,458
Ten 14 Vita Guru V version of the drum Namco Bandai Entertainment 15/07/09 5,783 80,004
Eleven Fifteen Wii U Yoshi wool World Nintendo 15/07/16 5,444 60,977
Twelve Twenty 3DS The Atsumare in ultra-or-flight! Strongest getaway who Namco Bandai Entertainment 15/07/09 5,217 37,196
13 twenty four 3DS Dragon Ball Z Super Ultimate Fighter Namco Bandai Entertainment 15/06/11 5,106 131,840
14 Twelve PS3 Sengoku BASARA4 Emperor Capcom 15/07/23 5,037 76,581
Fifteen twenty five 3DS Puzzle & Dragons Super Mario Bros. edition Gung Ho Online Entertainment 15/04/29 4,972 305,430
Sixteen 17 3DS Fire Emblem if midnight sun kingdom Nintendo 15/06/25 4,656 237,027
17 Ten Vita IA / VT -COLORFUL- (Oia visual Tracks colorful) Marvelous 15/07/30 4,256 45,614
Eighteen 27 3DS Monster Hunter 4G (Best Price!) Capcom 15/07/30 3,828 9,978
19 29 3DS Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS Nintendo 14/09/13 3,744 2,274,151
Twenty 32 3DS Girls Mode 3 Glitter ☆ Corde Nintendo 15/04/16 3,628 190,633
twenty one twenty one 3DS Large Ace Attorney - Narufu-doryunokai of 冒險 - Capcom 15/07/09 3,622 176,287
twenty two 26 3DS Fire Emblem if dark night Kingdom Nintendo 15/06/25 3,606 170,813
twenty three Eighteen PS4 Batman: Arkham Night Warner Entertainment Japan 15/07/16 3,281 76,817
twenty four 31 Wii U Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Nintendo 14/12/06 3,228 677,671
twenty five 28 3DS Pokemon Alpha sapphire Pokémon 14/11/21 3,144 1,516,363
26 37 3DS Mario Kart 7 Nintendo 11/12/01 2,717 2,421,606
27 twenty three PS4 Sengoku BASARA4 Emperor Capcom 15/07/23 2,706 39,611
28 19 Vita Magic 壊神 Trillion Compile Heart 15/07/23 2,513 28,951
29 34 3DS Pokemon Omega Ruby Pokémon 14/11/21 2,422 1,319,359
Thirty 39 Vita God Eater 2 Rage burst Namco Bandai Entertainment 15/02/19 2,306 340,712
31 Forty Wii U Mario Party 10 Nintendo 15/03/12 2,167 169,487
32 35 PS4 U~itcha 3 Wild Hunt Spike Chunsoft 15/05/21 2,017 131,191
33 41 PS4 Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 14/12/11 1,950 187,794
34 Sixteen 3DS Nobunaga's Ambition 2 Koei Tecmo Games 15/08/06 1,933 5,977
35 112 3DS Brave Lee second square Enix 15/04/23 1,917 148,626
36 Eight Vita Gal ☆ cancer double piece Alchemist 15/08/06 1,794 8,494
37 52 Vita Pro Baseball Spirits 2015 KONAMI 15/03/26 1,661 85,446
38 42 3DS Dragon Ball Heroes Ultimate Mission 2 Namco Bandai Entertainment 14/08/07 1,628 227,330
39 48 3DS New Super Mario Bros. 2 Nintendo 12/07/28 1,622 2,258,667
Forty Thirty Vita Date A Live Twin Edition 凜緒 linker Nation Compile Heart 15/07/30 1,525 19,214
41 55 3DS Assassination Classroom killing sensei large encirclement !! Namco Bandai Entertainment 15/03/12 1,494 90,091
42 33 Vita Reigiganto Namco Bandai Entertainment 15/07/30 1,467 12,037
43 57 3DS Kirby: Triple Deluxe Nintendo 14/01/11 1,467 696,414
44 Eleven PS4 Gal ☆ cancer double piece Alchemist 15/08/06 1,462 7,475
45 Fifty 3DS Specter Watch 2 star performer Level Five 14/12/13 1,435 2,665,214
46 44 3DS Dragon Quest VII Eden Warriors (Ultimate Hits) square Enix 15/04/16 1,417 20,944
47 twenty two 3DS Sangokushi 2 Koei Tecmo Games 15/08/06 1,372 4,678
48 58 PS4 Earth Defense Force 4.1 THE SHADOW OF NEW DESPAIR D3 Publisher 15/04/02 1,350 54,731
49 54 PS3 Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 14/06/26 1,272 135,980
Fifty 65 3DS LEGO (R) City undercover Chase Begins Nintendo 15/03/05 1,239 59,537

Hardware:

Models August 10 week estimated number of sales August 10 week composition ratio (%) 2015 estimated number of sales 2015 composition ratio (%)
PS4 18,787 18.9% 333,748 23.0%
PS3 2,880 2.9% 60,939 4.2%
Vita 16,898 17.0% 272,571 18.8%
Wii U 17,605 17.7% 237,434 16.3%
3DS 42,875 43.2% 544,312 37.4%
X One 228 0.2% 4,556 0.3%
Total 99,273 100.0% 1,453,560 100.0%


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Ryng_Tolu said:
WC4Life said:


This. People really need to update their expectasions to 2015 and stop bringing up the past context. 10-15k for PS4 in September/October would already be 50-100% increase YOY in many weeks and if that is not good I don't understand what the fuck people are expecting. It is unrealistic to expect 300% YOY increases to baseline without major japanese big hitters releasing. If PS4 does let's say 15k through September/October then next year, in 2016 with 50% growth the PS4 would have 22,5k baseline and I don't think PS4 will stop there. PS4 is on its way to great sales but it has to walk before it can run.


What i expect? Nothing, i already said what for me should be a good basis of sales, if a console in Japan during a important week can't sell 20k, that's for me is bad.

YOY invrease? What mean YOY increase honestly? Last year PS4 was selling at death level, the double of 0 is 0.

And why next year PS4 should have a 50% increase YOY all week? Of course 2016 can be good for PS4 thanks the week of Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, but i see 0 reason for PS4 to be up YOY so much with nothing. Is just like Wii U in the US, in 2013 was selling at death level, and in 2014 during a normal month withouth new released was easy up YOY, like in April, 35k in 2013 and 48k in 2014. Those Wii U sales was good because a huge YOY increase? Not even close.

That's a similar situation with PS4, is selling better than the death console of last year, but those numbers are still bad.

Just like PSVita, or Wii U.

That's my opinion. 18k this week aren't good.

So you are saying if console does not meet your expectation sales wise it must be doing bad. You could say that if you completely ignore past sales of a console and the current trend. Last years sales are exactly the reason why PS4 is doing so great at the moment. I'd compare PS4 to Vita. Vita was selling under 10k for a long time but managed to turn its course and was selling +20k for some time. Unlike Vita which could not grow further and started decline, I believe PS4 will push further.

Are you questioning the significance of YOY comparison tool? YOY is one of the best tools to evaluate the success and future potential of a product. PS4 was nowhere near 0 sales, I believe it hovered 5-10k outside Destiny and Fifa release weeks. Again PS4 could only be seen as selling at death level if you completely ignore the situation where PS4 was at the time. Death level sales are different to each console depending in a lot of factors. If 3DS was selling 5k/week last year it would have been death level, PS4 5k/week it is completely different.

2016 will be better simply because PS4 will get more games released and pricecut will happen sooner or later. Of course pricecut could happen this year but nevertheless PS4 will get major boost to its baseline with pricecut. I'm not saying PS4 will be up every week but in general PS4 will sell a lot more next year.



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WC4Life said:
Ryng_Tolu said:
WC4Life said:


This. People really need to update their expectasions to 2015 and stop bringing up the past context. 10-15k for PS4 in September/October would already be 50-100% increase YOY in many weeks and if that is not good I don't understand what the fuck people are expecting. It is unrealistic to expect 300% YOY increases to baseline without major japanese big hitters releasing. If PS4 does let's say 15k through September/October then next year, in 2016 with 50% growth the PS4 would have 22,5k baseline and I don't think PS4 will stop there. PS4 is on its way to great sales but it has to walk before it can run.


What i expect? Nothing, i already said what for me should be a good basis of sales, if a console in Japan during a important week can't sell 20k, that's for me is bad.

YOY invrease? What mean YOY increase honestly? Last year PS4 was selling at death level, the double of 0 is 0.

And why next year PS4 should have a 50% increase YOY all week? Of course 2016 can be good for PS4 thanks the week of Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, but i see 0 reason for PS4 to be up YOY so much with nothing. Is just like Wii U in the US, in 2013 was selling at death level, and in 2014 during a normal month withouth new released was easy up YOY, like in April, 35k in 2013 and 48k in 2014. Those Wii U sales was good because a huge YOY increase? Not even close.

That's a similar situation with PS4, is selling better than the death console of last year, but those numbers are still bad.

Just like PSVita, or Wii U.

That's my opinion. 18k this week aren't good.

So you are saying if console does not meet your expectation sales wise it must be doing bad. You could say that if you completely ignore past sales of a console and the current trend. Last years sales are exactly the reason why PS4 is doing so great at the moment. I'd compare PS4 to Vita. Vita was selling under 10k for a long time but managed to turn its course and was selling +20k for some time. Unlike Vita which could not grow further and started decline, I believe PS4 will push further.

Are you questioning the significance of YOY comparison tool? YOY is one of the best tools to evaluate the success and future potential of a product. PS4 was nowhere near 0 sales, I believe it hovered 5-10k outside Destiny and Fifa release weeks. Again PS4 could only be seen as selling at death level if you completely ignore the situation where PS4 was at the time. Death level sales are different to each console depending in a lot of factors. If 3DS was selling 5k/week last year it would have been death level, PS4 5k/week it is completely different.

2016 will be better simply because PS4 will get more games released and pricecut will happen sooner or later. Of course pricecut could happen this year but nevertheless PS4 will get major boost to its baseline with pricecut. I'm not saying PS4 will be up every week but in general PS4 will sell a lot more next year.

"So you are saying if console does not meet your expectation sales wise it must be doing bad."

Yes...like you are saying that PS4 is selling well because is above YOUR expectation sales. I mean. We are in this forum for discuss, right? all guys are difference opinion.

If for you those sales are well, that's ok, is your opinion.

But like you, even i have my opinion, and as i said, i think those aren't great sales. Not terrible, but i believe are badly. If you disagree, we can discuss about this.

like i said, i believe that in a holidays week, those sales aren't good. that's all.



horuhe said:

Yeah, I understand that's pretty sad no having 20k per week. However, we're talking about Japan. Things are not as they have usually been. The mobile market is what keeps alive the industry. You can't expect 20k baseline (except for 3DS), from any point of view.


Mobile is keeping mobile alive, and certain studios (most of which aren't part of the dedicated hardware business), and while it is competing for "game time" of the consumer, it is almost a seperate industry. The 3DS is keeping the market alive, especially retail, while everything else is simply in one or another state of tire fire.

The fun thing is that the 3DS is keeping the market alive with a rather thin release schedule. I wonder how many more Disgaea 5-like releases its going to take before devs stop trying to salvage Sony's messes.



Ryng_Tolu said:

"So you are saying if console does not meet your expectation sales wise it must be doing bad."

Yes...like you are saying that PS4 is selling well because is above YOUR expectation sales. I mean. We are in this forum for discuss, right? all guys are difference opinion.

If for you those sales are well, that's ok, is your opinion.

But like you, even i have my opinion, and as i said, i think those aren't great sales. Not terrible, but i believe are badly. If you disagree, we can discuss about this.

like i said, i believe that in a holidays week, those sales aren't good. that's all.

Yes, I understand now we are looking at the situation from completely different angle. I look forward and not just one week worth of sales in a vacuum. My only expectation for PS4 is steady growth, little by little in a long period of time. I would not look too deep into this Obon week since it is only one week which traditionally favors Nintendo consoles.



I cannot imagine toilet-free life.

Kebabs have a unique attribute compared to other consumables. To unlock this effect you need to wolf down a big ass kebab really fast, like under 10 minutes or so and wait for the effect to kick in. If done correctly your movements should feel unbelievably heavy to the point where you literally cannot move at all.

-Downtown Alanya Kebab magazine issue no.198