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ShadowofYahrnam on 28 July 2015
poklane said:
Goddbless said:
I will never understand why people get so up in arms over this deal. All the companies have exclusives and timed exclusives but yet this one is seen as being so horrible.

It being an already established, multiplatform franchise is the main issue. Tomb Raider fans without a XB1 or XB360 either have to spend hundreds of dollars to play the game Day 1, or have to wait a few months or a full year. The same goes for Street Fighter V, hell it's even worse! Street Fighter fans with only an XB1 have to either get a PS4 or gaming PC or they are completely fucked.


If there were more people like you on this site it would be a much easier place to have a good time.  Seriously.  Thank you for being honest.



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Machiavellian on 28 July 2015
V-r0cK said:
Machiavellian said:
V-r0cK said:
He can spin it any way he wants, we all know it's nothing more than greed.

He better know that the game will bomb hard and will be long-term.

Actually its not greed it's just business.  The agreement with MS allows the company to help finance a project without any risk.  It means even if TR crash and burn, the publisher and even the developer do not lose out because MS fronted the bill for development and advertisement.  Not sure how long this agreement is from MS but this does mean that if MS paid for exclusive for one year for more than one instance of the game, the project will be funded for multiple years.  

Gamers need to step back with their platform of choice blinders on and think about the finanical situations for developing games.  Its a great deal for Square because they can continue to grow the franchise and tech for the game while someone else pays the bill.  They can get more agressive with hiring key talent and expanding the team to provide better tech all around without much risk financially.  Not only that, they still own the IP and its direction and can sell it on other platforms.  

Greed, I think not.  Smart business, I would say yes.  Either way, Square comes out fine in this deal.

There's a fine line between 'greed' and 'business' depending on how you look at it and the company's intention. (ie. just think of some random corrupted businesses)

I would disagree and I would say this is not a smart business.  Look at the comments on this thread and negative reactions on the internet because of this deal from the very beginning.  This 'smart' business is tarnishing the company's name (more so) and the franchise, and this wont be good long-term.   Square "may" come out of this deal fine, but just wait until the next TR installment as they might not be as lucky.

What I found out is that negative in comments mean nothing when it comes to actual sales.  There will always be negative comments because to many gamers have to much agenda in their platform of choice to do anything but be negative.  What will make TR a success is actually reviews of the game and how well gamers receive the game.  The game really does not have to sale gang busters right out of the gate but instead have consistent good sales for months.  Development already paid for so there is no need to recoup sales right away.  Square can be way more patient in recouping cost if the cost was paid by someone else.  If the game proves to be  great and get high reviews, that will keep it selling for months then the whole process can start again when it comes out on Steam.  Do some DLC and other stuff then start the whole process again when it comes out on PS4.

Not sure how this is tarnishing Square.  In one breath you say their name is tarnish but in another you champion them because you get an FF remake.  Gamer are so fickly that relying on comments in thread is pointless.  



MoHasanie on 28 July 2015
Rafie said:
MoHasanie said:

Depends on the bundles. Remeber that there will be Halo 5 and Fallout X1 bundles too. 


Damn I forgot about that. That's a lot of f'ing games for them to think about. Sheesh! Do you think that MS maybe oversaturated themselves with this. It's kind of overkill with these many games dropping so close to one another. I know F4 is multiplat, but it's going to sell better on Xbox due to that mod timed exclusive deal. I better start working overtime to support my habit with these games.

I'm not sure what MS planned. They've been talking about their holiday 2015 line up for over a year now so they must expect huge sales. 

It also doesn't help that Fallout 4 and Tomb Raider come out on the same day. 



    

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Machiavellian on 28 July 2015
poklane said:
Goddbless said:
I will never understand why people get so up in arms over this deal. All the companies have exclusives and timed exclusives but yet this one is seen as being so horrible.

It being an already established, multiplatform franchise is the main issue. Tomb Raider fans without a XB1 or XB360 either have to spend hundreds of dollars to play the game Day 1, or have to wait a few months or a full year. The same goes for Street Fighter V, hell it's even worse! Street Fighter fans with only an XB1 have to either get a PS4 or gaming PC or they are completely fucked.

No its being an already established multi plate game is not the reason.  It being an Xbox One exclusive is the main issue.  If this was a PS4 exclusive we would see a totaly different reaction.  I do not see PS4 gamers making a fuss about Street Figther 5 not coming to the X1 since its also an established multiplate game. Lets be totally honest here.  The real reason TR is getting this heat is because PS4 gamers have to wait a year to play the game unless they get a X1 or PC.

People calling this greedy from Square but in the same breath champion FF remake, Shemmu and Street Fighter seems interesting.  Its like people blind themselves to their platform and see nothing else.  I am sure someone will say this is different but its not.  Its business, just that people chose to look at it different if its their platform.



Aura7541 on 28 July 2015

Well preorders have not been good and are actually behind TR: Definitive Edition's preorders according to Abdiel, Kagari, and LogN....



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whatever on 28 July 2015

“We’re about growing our IP, this is a long-term decision..."

Meaning it's going to take a loooonnng time for them to repair the damage they have done to the tomb raider IP.



whatever on 28 July 2015
Machiavellian said:

No its being an already established multi plate game is not the reason.  It being an Xbox One exclusive is the main issue.  If this was a PS4 exclusive we would see a totaly different reaction.  I do not see PS4 gamers making a fuss about Street Figther 5 not coming to the X1 since its also an established multiplate game. Lets be totally honest here.  The real reason TR is getting this heat is because PS4 gamers have to wait a year to play the game unless they get a X1 or PC.

People calling this greedy from Square but in the same breath champion FF remake, Shemmu and Street Fighter seems interesting.  Its like people blind themselves to their platform and see nothing else.  I am sure someone will say this is different but its not.  Its business, just that people chose to look at it different if its their platform.

Complete nonsense.  I don't see any XB1 gamers making a fuss about ROTR being XB1 exclusive for a year, but they complain about Street Fighter 5.  Same thing.

Gamers on either platform have a right to be pissed if a company makes a bad decision.



Valdath on 28 July 2015

This is what happens when you make deals and announce things before the new gen picture becomes clear.

I'm sure SE regrets announcing KH 3 for Xbox One now, it's going to bomb there.



Sharpryno on 28 July 2015

Man, users on this site LOVE to hate on Microsoft. Yet Sony is doing the same thing, with more games, and buying permanent DLC for multiplats.
Console plebs, are the worst in gaming.  Much worse than the garbage and troll-heavy teammates I get in Dota2. 

Can you imagine all the hate the MS haters would have spewed out if it was MS getting the Shenmue deal? Its just unbelievable, and getting so old.

Its okay to admit you are jealous that MS has it for a year. But no, instead you guys sit there and bash MS sales, and make stupid predictions that the game is going to bomb in hopes of getting back at SE, when they did nothing wrong. No one lied to you, haters.



Augen on 28 July 2015
Dr.Vita said:

“We’re about growing our IP, this is a long-term decision. We’re going to take Tomb Raider up to the next level,” he added. “With Microsoft’s belief, passion and sort of muscle to help us deliver, we really think this is going to be an awesome game that people will enjoy for years and years to come.”


How does limiting  your potential buyers grow your IP?  Especially in Europe where the series is most popular releasing on distant second place platform.  I could get this argument going from exclusive to multi platform, but going multi platform to timed exclusive does not grow an IP.  Just be honest and say "We need to reduce our financial risk and Microsoft's backing the game via advertising and other aspects achieves that.  It may hurt us and lose fans, but we had to look at short term business realities on the viability of the project".

Going to be fascinating to seee how sales play out on this title over next two-three years.