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Miyamotoo on 18 July 2015
GTstation said:
Miyamotoo said:
GTstation said:
From games. By a major corporate shake up that achieves an entirely new company direction.

NX can coexist with Nintendo releasing on PC/PS4/Xbox. Mario Kart9 on those 3 and nx is a +30m seller.




Releasing Nintendo games on PC/PS4/Xbox would be last thing Nintendo would done, they would first try anything else than that: business expansions, mobile games, leveraging strength or they IPs in cartoons/movies, toys, theme parks...releasing new 2-3 consoles..and if all that can't secure them profit and make them a loose, than maybe, maybe, they will realase their games on PC/PS4/Xbox.

But trying all that things that I mentioned will require 5-10 years, and Nintendo in 2014. year with console that is their biggest flop ever and 3DS that will be their worst selling handheld and yet they managed to make $300m profit. And we already know that they realeased Amiibo, preparing QOL, NX, mobile games, Nintendo theme parks and further leveraging strength or they IPs...that will give them even bigger profit.

Also everybody knows that real Nintendo strength (what makes them so special with great and quality games) is that they have complete control of their software and having their own hardware that allow them to make things in every way they want.

So expecting Nintendo games on PC/PS4/Xbox is not wise and I think that could only expect or want someone who is not really good informed with gaming industry and Nintendo, don't realise how Nintendo works and what makes them if first place Nintendo or someone that really wants Nintendo games on PS and Xbox, in every way it not gonna happen.

Will take one forward thinking exec high up and they will be on pc/PS/xbox.  

And its very depandant on the success or failure of nx not much more.  

Everybody know thats what nintendo fans tell them selves, nothing more.  Any decent sized 3rd party dev has power to do wtf they want to do with their games.  

How nintendo works is exactly why they have been such failures in the market for the last few years, personally i dont really care if they survive or not or their competition.  But logically looking at the market and them in it its quite clear.  Their future is on other platforms, might happen fast or slow.  But its happening.  Them on moible is the first step, once they see the light of releasing on hardware they dont have to pay for they will spread their software all around.  ios android Playstation Steam, they them selves have no chance in hell of building anyt user base remotly their size.  

It is the simpelst logic possible.  They make games.  Releasing those games to the biggest possible audiences is the highest chance of success.  There is no logical counter argument.  Their hardware sales are dwindeling, as is their software.  Even their biggest fans are seeing that the time of handhleds is coming to an end even for ninty.  With one exception they have been on a decades long fall with their consoel sales.  

Its not point about power, Nintendo makes hardware with they software in mind, hardware in first place that will suits them most, that one of reasons why Nintendo games are so unique and good.

Mobile games are necessary today because market of phones and tablets are much bigger than console market and affects loot on handheld business, Nintendo stated that they want to use games for phones and tablets to attract consumers who like them to their hardware dedicated systems.

Nintendo always makes money on the hardware unlike Sony and Microsoft, Wii U is their first hardware on that they lose money on launch, but it became profitable after year and half. 

They make games but they make hardware too, they make profit on software and hardware in same time, simple logic. One bad generation don't change anything, especially when previous gen was most successful console generation of all times, they sold more around 255m pieces of hardware and around 2 billions of software.

Classic handheld consoles are dying, that why Nintendo is changing, that's why Nintendo talk so much about big integration home and handheld consoles or even hybrid device for they next hardware. 

Nintendo dont have any plans to abandoned their hardware, because they philosophy of gaming, strength and uniqueness very depending on that they have their own hardware and software. And like I wrote, they making profit even with the worst gen till now, and they have plans how to make bigger profit than that, they even targeting profit from DS/Wii era, and you can bet that they don't include releasing their games on PC/PS4/Xbox in their plans.




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Frogger on 18 July 2015

Some very interesting thoughts said here.

As well as some very stupid ones.

And some that don't really answer the OP.

But by and by, some very interesting thoughts indeed.



baloofarsan on 18 July 2015

According to this ( http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=205467&page=1# ) Nintendo had better Gross Profits last year (ending 31 March 2015) than they had for these periods.

  • 1981 - 1991 
  • 1994 - 1997 
  • 2001 - 2004 
  • 2012 - 2014

That is twelve years (of 34 years) with better results than last year. If they manage to be 10% better this year it will only be the Wii - DS years that are better. (This seems to be very strange - I hope I read all the numbers correctly - and I have not made correction for inflation)

(SNES launch 1990 - 1992) (N64 launch 1996 - 1997) (GC launch 2001 - 2002) (Wii launch 2006)
(GB launch 1989 - 1990) (GBA launch 2001) (DS launch 2004 - 2005) (3DS launch 2011)

EDIT: This post must be corrected for inflation!



jonathanalis on 18 July 2015

same as 2015, maybe?
amiibo, some 3ds games like pokemon Z.
and also, producing a new console takes lots of losts, and i think launch concole sales dont cover those losts.



Soundwave on 18 July 2015
GTstation said:
Miyamotoo said:
GTstation said:
From games. By a major corporate shake up that achieves an entirely new company direction.

NX can coexist with Nintendo releasing on PC/PS4/Xbox. Mario Kart9 on those 3 and nx is a +30m seller.




Releasing Nintendo games on PC/PS4/Xbox would be last thing Nintendo would done, they would first try anything else than that: business expansions, mobile games, leveraging strength or they IPs in cartoons/movies, toys, theme parks...releasing new 2-3 consoles..and if all that can't secure them profit and make them a loose, than maybe, maybe, they will realase their games on PC/PS4/Xbox.

But trying all that things that I mentioned will require 5-10 years, and Nintendo in 2014. year with console that is their biggest flop ever and 3DS that will be their worst selling handheld and yet they managed to make $300m profit. And we already know that they realeased Amiibo, preparing QOL, NX, mobile games, Nintendo theme parks and further leveraging strength or they IPs...that will give them even bigger profit.

Also everybody knows that real Nintendo strength (what makes them so special with great and quality games) is that they have complete control of their software and having their own hardware that allow them to make things in every way they want.

So expecting Nintendo games on PC/PS4/Xbox is not wise and I think that could only expect or want someone who is not really good informed with gaming industry and Nintendo, don't realise how Nintendo works and what makes them if first place Nintendo or someone that really wants Nintendo games on PS and Xbox, in every way it not gonna happen.

Will take one forward thinking exec high up and they will be on pc/PS/xbox.  

And its very depandant on the success or failure of nx not much more.  

Everybody know thats what nintendo fans tell them selves, nothing more.  Any decent sized 3rd party dev has power to do wtf they want to do with their games.  

How nintendo works is exactly why they have been such failures in the market for the last few years, personally i dont really care if they survive or not or their competition.  But logically looking at the market and them in it its quite clear.  Their future is on other platforms, might happen fast or slow.  But its happening.  Them on moible is the first step, once they see the light of releasing on hardware they dont have to pay for they will spread their software all around.  ios android Playstation Steam, they them selves have no chance in hell of building anyt user base remotly their size.  

It is the simpelst logic possible.  They make games.  Releasing those games to the biggest possible audiences is the highest chance of success.  There is no logical counter argument.  Their hardware sales are dwindeling, as is their software.  Even their biggest fans are seeing that the time of handhleds is coming to an end even for ninty.  With one exception they have been on a decades long fall with their consoel sales.  


The truth is even a cursory glance at their financial statements show that upwards of 40% of their sales revenue comes from hardware sales. This is not a trivial amount. 

And if you've been on boards like these for as long as I have, you'll remember the same arguements being made around 2003/2004 ... Nintendo should get out of making consoles because GameCube failed. 

If they had listened to you then, they would have missed out on 100 million Wii sales and the most profitable era in video game history (something Sony or MS will never come close to touching). What would you say then, "oops?". 

So really, Nintendo has earned the right to fail. They're in a very stable position financially and have made a ton of money over the years (more than any of the other hardware makers). If they want to continue making hardware for another 5-10 years, they can if they want. 



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zorg1000 on 18 July 2015
Miguel_Zorro said:

"Nintendo-like" could mean their run rate before the Wii/DS combination.  They were chugging along at a somewhat steady pace before that.  The peak Wii years were extraordinary by historical standards.

 

Really, it's their handheld business that's been reliable.

I'm pretty sure Iwata once stated "Nintendo-like profits" means 100 billion yen.



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Dunban67 on 18 July 2015

Nintendo has been notoriously inaccurate in their own financial forecast and sales forecast over most of the last few years- I don t see them making much if any profit this year or next year regardless of when the NX launches

Their revenue has been declining yoy for the past several years (at least as far back as 2011). In order to have substantial operating profits they will need to have substantial revenue growth and that won t happen this year-
Even if the NX release next year it still seems to me that it will not only have to be at break even or profit on the hardware but it will have to have great sales and prob more than 4.5 months of sales to make a big difference in their annual revenue (assuming the NX release in Nov 2016).

 

edit 7/20/15   the graphs posted above show Nintendo s annual revenue has declined  YOY since 2009

They also show thier operating revenue is aprox 1/3rd of what it was at the peak of DS and Wii-   pretty amazing



theARTIST0017 on 19 July 2015
97alexk said:

I kinda still believe NX wont come out until late 2017


agreed, Wii U has only been 2.5 years



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bunchanumbers on 19 July 2015

Nintendo has their fingers in a lot of pies now. It won't just be console or handheld games. Theme parks, movie deals, mobile game development, amiibo, licensing deals as well. This is before you factor in games like Zelda U and the next Monster Hunter and Youkai Watch games. I could definitely see 'Nintendolike profits' happening.



Smear-Gel on 19 July 2015

Expecting Wii like profits is your mistake