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johnlucas said:
DKII said:
Nintendo's 5.84 million sold was also sold to retail you know, it's just damn close to actual consumer sell-through at this point.

Well why do people even bother saying shipped anymore then? If they're just gonna use the term as sold why bother? That's dishonest from Nintendo too then. Put a qualifier by it. That's all they got to do. SOLD...to retailers.

Guess I should just ignore financial statements from now on. They all play the word game.

John Lucas 


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John, That's what I called hyperbole and vilification. Nintendo is stating "sold to retail" as "sold", Microsoft is stating "sold to retail" as "sold", Sony is stating "sold to retail" as "sold" and "left the factory" as "shipped". Nobody is announcing "sold to consumers" except NPD et al, there is no difference in the definition of "sold" between the big 3 and there is specifically no obfuscation in Sony's reporting as they explain what their different numbers refer to.



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gebx said:
johnlucas said:
DKII said:
Nintendo's 5.84 million sold was also sold to retail you know, it's just damn close to actual consumer sell-through at this point.

Well why do people even bother saying shipped anymore then? If they're just gonna use the term as sold why bother? That's dishonest from Nintendo too then. Put a qualifier by it. That's all they got to do. SOLD...to retailers.

Guess I should just ignore financial statements from now on. They all play the word game.

John Lucas


As a general rule, you should take all news from corporate companies with a grain of salt.


I'll remember that. Thank God for sites like these.

John Lucas 



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Oh, and here's how fast Nintendo can ramp their production... http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Japan&cons2=Wii&reg2=America&cons3=Wii&reg3=All&weekly=1



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reverie said:
John, That's what I called hyperbole and vilification. Nintendo is stating "sold to retail" as "sold", Microsoft is stating "sold to retail" as "sold", Sony is stating "sold to retail" as "sold" and "left the factory" as "shipped". Nobody is announcing "sold to consumers" except NPD et al, there is no difference in the definition of "sold" between the big 3 and there is specifically no obfuscation in Sony's reporting as they explain what their different numbers refer to.

If they'd just say sell-in I'd be satisfied. I've learned a lesson here. I thought by law it was required to be direct on financial statements but I know the reality now. Hyperbole has no place when you're playing with my money as an investor. From now on I'll just ignore those BS financial statements and listen to the rickshaw estimation services we have available. A damn shame the real data is not tracked.

Like always the man at the base is disrespected in a capitalistic society. I shouldn't have been surprised.

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reverie said:
Oh, and here's how fast Nintendo can ramp their production... http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Japan&cons2=Wii&reg2=America&cons3=Wii&reg3=All&weekly=1

Here's a comparison of all three including PS3.

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=X360&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&weekly=1

John Lucas



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I was trying to show that Nintendo shipments have so far been flat this year. My whole Nintendo jab was aimed at production, not sales. They should have shipped more at least since March. They are losing sales because the shelves are not full. You certainly can't say that about Sony or MS.



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reverie said:
I was trying to show that Nintendo shipments have so far been flat this year. My whole Nintendo jab was aimed at production, not sales. They should have shipped more at least since March. They are losing sales because the shelves are not full. You certainly can't say that about Sony or MS.

I see them increasing gradually from March 31, 2007 end of their fiscal year. But looks like everybody's slow on that chart and I see that big channel stuff by Microsoft at the end of 2006. And as much as Nintendo could produce more they're still outproducing everybody else by a longshot. It's only their money they're missing out on, the competition can't seem to take advantage of their sluggishness in production so it's sort of moot.

Yes you certainly CAN'T say that about Sony or MS 'cause their stuff ain't moving. They couldn't "SELL" (sell-in) anymore if they wanted to due to backlog of stock on the shelves. And as long as the furor continues Nintendo can get away with this.

In fact I'd say the other companies are lucky Nintendo's slacking on the production. They'd be taking away more of the marketshare from the other guys making things that much worse. They have an opportunity here to make something happen while Nintendo struggles to get the stuff out. Let's see if they turn that opportunity into fruition.

John Lucas



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Well, they went down in March and are now back at Jan/Feb levels. That hole in March could be systems diverted to Europe (as ioi's new graph doesn't include Europe yet), or the higher Jan/Feb level could have been some overflow from the 800k extra systems that Reggie had ordered for Christmas but mysteriously never arrived in America. I still wonder what actually happened back then, but we'll never know.


I don't think Sony and MS have anything at hand to attract people looking for a Wii, do they? Nintendo will just lose some 10k sales every week from people who really want it but are finally tired of waiting or people who don't even knew they might ever want one but might have bought one by chance if it had been in stock.


Hardcore gaming is a bubble economy blown up by Microsoft's $7 $6 billion losses.

Yeah, Nintendo has been doing a horrible job getting Wii's into the hands of consumers. It's not like it's sold the most consoles ever for a launch period or anything. Oh wait...