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Your Thoughts On B/C

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d21lewis on 18 June 2015
walsufnir said:
d21lewis said:


Add me on Xbox Live. I'd like to play with you!  I'm d21lewis

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjblk1ADq9k

Before, whenever you went to an area, it would begin with all of the textures loading in one layer at a time.  On XB1, it all loads almost instantly.  Plus on 360, there was almost constant screen tearing.  I didn't notice any on the XB1.  DLC doesn't work but, as I mentioned before, it's still just a demo of what the future will hold.  There's no Xbox Live Marketplace to download DLC from, yet.

 

There are already videos with comparisons, especially for Mass Effect, which show improvements and show nothing what Protendo pretends to have experienced.

Also keep in mind that there is no single game on next-gen consoles that run via disc, they all are installed. To the Xbone, the emulator is an Xbone game so there is no running off discs, but all the features like screenshots, twitch streaming and so on. Also when downloading the whole package with patches you have a single binary that you have to emulate and not "oh, disc has no patch level, now I have to download it to wherever I am not able to because it's still different than on 360 (you can't access storage from within the emulator). You have one final-patched version of a game and this is going to be emulated.

And especially I don't know how people already moan about something that didn't even release yet officially and is only available to preview members.


I just had a thought.  I had a copy of Tomb Raider Underworld that was scratched.  I eventually got another copy (I rented from a "Mom and Pop place and swapped copies because I am evil).  I don't have any scratched games now but I wonder if someone could pop in a scratched game disc and suddenly download the full game on XB1!



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walsufnir on 18 June 2015
d21lewis said:
walsufnir said:
d21lewis said:


Add me on Xbox Live. I'd like to play with you!  I'm d21lewis

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjblk1ADq9k

Before, whenever you went to an area, it would begin with all of the textures loading in one layer at a time.  On XB1, it all loads almost instantly.  Plus on 360, there was almost constant screen tearing.  I didn't notice any on the XB1.  DLC doesn't work but, as I mentioned before, it's still just a demo of what the future will hold.  There's no Xbox Live Marketplace to download DLC from, yet.

 

There are already videos with comparisons, especially for Mass Effect, which show improvements and show nothing what Protendo pretends to have experienced.

Also keep in mind that there is no single game on next-gen consoles that run via disc, they all are installed. To the Xbone, the emulator is an Xbone game so there is no running off discs, but all the features like screenshots, twitch streaming and so on. Also when downloading the whole package with patches you have a single binary that you have to emulate and not "oh, disc has no patch level, now I have to download it to wherever I am not able to because it's still different than on 360 (you can't access storage from within the emulator). You have one final-patched version of a game and this is going to be emulated.

And especially I don't know how people already moan about something that didn't even release yet officially and is only available to preview members.


I just had a thought.  I had a copy of Tomb Raider Underworld that was scratched.  I eventually got another copy (I rented from a "Mom and Pop place and swapped copies because I am evil).  I don't have any scratched games now but I wonder if someone could pop in a scratched game disc and suddenly download the full game on XB1!


I think this will be possible. The OS only has to read the "crucial" part from the disc, whatever it is, the rest can be broken :)



Protendo on 18 June 2015
walsufnir said:
d21lewis said:
Protendo said:


I did. Screen teering that didn't exists, DLC not working, etc.

Resolution is the same, load times are faster (better hard drive). That's about it.


Add me on Xbox Live. I'd like to play with you!  I'm d21lewis

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjblk1ADq9k

Before, whenever you went to an area, it would begin with all of the textures loading in one layer at a time.  On XB1, it all loads almost instantly.  Plus on 360, there was almost constant screen tearing.  I didn't notice any on the XB1.  DLC doesn't work but, as I mentioned before, it's still just a demo of what the future will hold.  There's no Xbox Live Marketplace to download DLC from, yet.

 

There are already videos with comparisons, especially for Mass Effect, which show improvements and show nothing what Protendo pretends to have experienced.

Also keep in mind that there is no single game on next-gen consoles that run via disc, they all are installed. To the Xbone, the emulator is an Xbone game so there is no running off discs, but all the features like screenshots, twitch streaming and so on. Also when downloading the whole package with patches you have a single binary that you have to emulate and not "oh, disc has no patch level, now I have to download it to wherever I am not able to because it's still different than on 360 (you can't access storage from within the emulator). You have one final-patched version of a game and this is going to be emulated.

And especially I don't know how people already moan about something that didn't even release yet officially and is only available to preview members.

Did you not read his response.

He sees the screen tearing too and confirms the DLC issues.  It's been a long time since I played the 360 version, I don't have the screen tearing issue on the PC version.

d21lewis said:

I just had a thought.  I had a copy of Tomb Raider Underworld that was scratched.  I eventually got another copy (I rented from a "Mom and Pop place and swapped copies because I am evil).  I don't have any scratched games now but I wonder if someone could pop in a scratched game disc and suddenly download the full game on XB1!

You can. As long as that part of the disc isn't scratched that it needs to verify your purchase. I tried a disc my 360 couldn't read (took ages to get to the menu screen) and the Xbox One had no problems downloading it and using the disc to verify. So as long as that part of the disc isn't scratched, it looks like your good to go. Granted I only had one badly scratched disc to test, but I was still pleasantly suprised.



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walsufnir on 18 June 2015
Protendo said:
walsufnir said:
d21lewis said:
Protendo said:


I did. Screen teering that didn't exists, DLC not working, etc.

Resolution is the same, load times are faster (better hard drive). That's about it.


Add me on Xbox Live. I'd like to play with you!  I'm d21lewis

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjblk1ADq9k

Before, whenever you went to an area, it would begin with all of the textures loading in one layer at a time.  On XB1, it all loads almost instantly.  Plus on 360, there was almost constant screen tearing.  I didn't notice any on the XB1.  DLC doesn't work but, as I mentioned before, it's still just a demo of what the future will hold.  There's no Xbox Live Marketplace to download DLC from, yet.

 

There are already videos with comparisons, especially for Mass Effect, which show improvements and show nothing what Protendo pretends to have experienced.

Also keep in mind that there is no single game on next-gen consoles that run via disc, they all are installed. To the Xbone, the emulator is an Xbone game so there is no running off discs, but all the features like screenshots, twitch streaming and so on. Also when downloading the whole package with patches you have a single binary that you have to emulate and not "oh, disc has no patch level, now I have to download it to wherever I am not able to because it's still different than on 360 (you can't access storage from within the emulator). You have one final-patched version of a game and this is going to be emulated.

And especially I don't know how people already moan about something that didn't even release yet officially and is only available to preview members.

Did you not read his response.

He sees the screen tearing too and confirms the DLC issues.  It's been a long time since I played the 360 version, I don't have the screen tearing issue on the PC version.

d21lewis said:

I just had a thought.  I had a copy of Tomb Raider Underworld that was scratched.  I eventually got another copy (I rented from a "Mom and Pop place and swapped copies because I am evil).  I don't have any scratched games now but I wonder if someone could pop in a scratched game disc and suddenly download the full game on XB1!

You can. As long as that part of the disc isn't scratched that it needs to verify your purchase. I tried a disc my 360 couldn't read (took ages to get to the menu screen) and the Xbox One had no problems downloading it and using the disc to verify. So as long as that part of the disc isn't scratched, it looks like your good to go. Granted I only had one badly scratched disc to test, but I was still pleasantly suprised.


It seems you didn't read. He said it was on 360, you say on xbone. Btw, did you add him at xbl?



walsufnir on 19 June 2015
d21lewis said:
Protendo said:


I did. Screen teering that didn't exists, DLC not working, etc.

Resolution is the same, load times are faster (better hard drive). That's about it.


Add me on Xbox Live. I'd like to play with you!  I'm d21lewis


Did he add you on XBL?



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tokilamockingbrd on 19 June 2015
binary solo said:
MS knew that it had to stop the defection of 360 owners jumping to PS4. How do you convince people to stay with you? Make sure they can play their last gen games and new gen games on one machine. If I have a 360 and I'm looking at a new gen machine b/c makes me look seriously at Xb one especially when I can get a very good trade in deal. I can get a cheap Xb one because I can now trade in my 360, AND get to keep playing my 360 games. Also if I have a PS4 and a 360 then I can seriously consider getting that second 8th gen console earlier than I might have.

The one problem is that this isn't true b/c, therefore you are not guaranteed to be able to play all of your 360 games. But still if you like the mainstream Xbox franchises you will be pretty safe.

It was a smart move to shore up the base, but it's not going to attract new customers.


This.

The main advantage of BC is it free you up to trade-in your old console which may allow some to have enough money to upgrade. That said, the value of those old consoles is going to drop like a rock (everyone who now owns a 360 and XB1 should take their 360 to GS today to get max value) because the old systems are going to flood  the market. Within a few months there are going to have so many old 360 units laying around Gamestop is going to give you nothing for it.



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Lastgengamer on 20 June 2015

I can't agree obviously.

This really is a game changer and lends a great deal of goodwill to Microsoft for doing this. Since this also shows that they are committed to supporting the Xbox 360 marketplace. Which is great for people who have invested large amounts of money into these stores.

Like others already said, this will make it easier for 360 owners to decide what to upgrade to, as many have still not done so.

This was also done with no charge to the end user and Microsoft needs to keep driving that point.



walsufnir on 25 June 2015
Protendo said:
d21lewis said:

Play Mass Effect.


I did. Screen teering that didn't exists, DLC not working, etc.

Resolution is the same, load times are faster (better hard drive). That's about it.

 

Hey Protendo, just wondering how you could experience screen tearing when it was confirmed that all bc games have vsync and therefore no tearing exists at all?

The article is here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-vs-backwards-compatibility-on-xbox-one

So how did you even manage to experience tearing when it is confirmed there is no tearing at all?

And did you become friends with d21lewis on Xbox One?



d21lewis on 25 June 2015
walsufnir said:
Protendo said:
d21lewis said:

Play Mass Effect.


I did. Screen teering that didn't exists, DLC not working, etc.

Resolution is the same, load times are faster (better hard drive). That's about it.

 

Hey Protendo, just wondering how you could experience screen tearing when it was confirmed that all bc games have vsync and therefore no tearing exists at all?

The article is here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-vs-backwards-compatibility-on-xbox-one

So how did you even manage to experience tearing when it is confirmed there is no tearing at all?

And did you become friends with d21lewis on Xbox One?

No. Why doesn't he like me?  :(



Sharpryno on 25 June 2015

Backwards Compatibility has always been the most requested feature for both consoles.

Not a big deal to you, but to a lot, it is. Simple as that.