maybe you are just getting bored with gaming :D

I honestly didn't feel like ps3 was a step up from ps2. It's a great system, but not really ps2 level. I'm currently more satisfied with ps4 than I was with ps3 at the same point in time.

Right! Are you able to look into an argument more complex than you have.

Nintendo has great franchises and $300/$350 for the consoles wasn't much of an issue for Nitendo fans but I honestly think if it launched a year later with the same specs and price, it would of done better (strange I know). It would of been compared to the PS4 and X1 and although less powerful it still would of been $100 cheaper than the competition.

But instead the time of release it was compared to the PS3 and 360 rather than the PS4 and Xbox "720", and gamers had a different mindset on the Wii U. The problem with the Wii U is that it wasn't much more powerful than the PS3 and 360 and yet cost $100 more. People didn't see the value.

It's a strange one. Releasing early can pay off (see Xbox 360), but if you going to kick off a gen you have to show a significant leap otherwise you will just be compared to current rather seen as next gen. If you going to release a fairly weak console, do not launch first and release with the next gen (see Wii).

Wait! What did I just read?

Now you've confused me a little. If you play PS4 and X1 then Wii U should look dated no matter if it's Mario HD. If it's graphics you're after, isn't games like Ryse, Drive Club, Killzone and The Order not good enough?

Even games like Second Son, Forza Horizon and Metal Gear Solid show a good leap from last gen.  GTAV PS4/X1 shows a big leap from it's last gen version.

Not sure how you can say that the Wii U give's you that "Next Gen Feeling" when it shows the same leap in graphics from PS3/360 to PS4/X1 and way way less impressive in the graphics department.

Overall, just trying to diminish Nintendo's victories.

Very funny, thinking ps3 will outsell the wii.

Aren't you haters tired of lying about Wii U's graphics?

Easy now fella. I'm a hater now? Please construct a debate on why I am and why you think I'm wrong. It's only my opinion at the end of the day. We all have them and people won't agree sometimes. This is why we have a debate and are necessary to put your point across.

You need to stop acting like the Wii U is being victimised.

You never put any point across.

I admit that with MS DRM fiasco and Nintendo mistake of adding a tablet controller using the Wii brand made it easy for ps4 to win this gen but even at that, I believe ps4 would have had a higher chance of winning this gen anyway, maybe not by the same gap. why do I believe this? even though, ps3 didn't win last gen, ps3 finished stronger than the other two. It was outselling them in the last few years before the gen was over. It's also obvious Nintendo needed a miracle to pull off another wii mote type of controller to attract the masses, otherwise would haven been the gamecube all over again and that's what really happen. In other words, unless Nintendo brings something different enough to the table to attract the masses, they don't have a chance at winning another gen from now on. I also believe xbox one wouldn't have won this gen anyway, why? simple, ps4 brand is too strong in Europe. If ps3 managed to outsell xbox 360 in Europe even when it launched 200 euros more expensive one year and half later (the reason they lost market share), you know that launching at the same time with comparable price point would have enabled ps4 to recoup most of the marketshare lost last gen. All ps4 needed to do is to compete with xbox one in the USA to assure victory which wouldn't have been as difficult as last gen because xbox one wouldn't have the price and launch date advantage xbox 360 had. There is also no Kinect this time around.

Now if you really want to know when the winner was decided before it started, here it is after MS press conference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-To7WJyWs

I wouldn't waste your energy and time on replying to him. His profile was created today.... 

Wii u certainly is not as powerful as the other two new consoles, but there are games in wii u that also have good leap from past generation