Ok... and why you comment this thread? a sales thread?

min 80. Every ps console has sold at least 80m.

70m would be pretty low.

This isn't a reasonable reason. All Nintendo console sold more than 20 million. But most of all predict WU under those numbers.

All generation was up in sales (145m------>215m------>280m), this gen will not.

just some example. I don't dubt PS5 will sell those numbers, we know nothing, but i don't think that only because all PS console sold 80m PS5 MUST sell those numbers...

I think it will end up selling around 75m.

for me it's a reasonable reason, why? because ps consoles are the only console that have sold over 80m, which shows me consistency over a period of 3 generations and you and I know ps4 will sell at least 80m.  Nintendo consoles are difficult to predict because of the Wii that went out of the curve but every nintendo console has been in declining if you take out Wii in the equation.  So unless nintendo bring another hit, it will sell in the range of 20m-40m, maybe 50m max.  You can't compare nintendo consoles with sony consoles because again ps consoles has shown consistency, nintendo consoles doesn't. A generation being up or down hasn't affected in any way whatsoever a ps consoles sales.  last gen what the highest and still sold over 80m.  Ps1 era wasn't all that great and still sold over 80m.  PS2 was more or less good and still sold over 80m.  There will be a declining this gen and will still sell 80m

In this case, every Nintendo HANDHELD sold more than 80m, but for 3DS will be hard sell those numbers, (most likely 70-75 million)... I also can said in 2006 "all PlayStation console sold more than 100 million, so, PS3 will sell at least 100 million"...

its on Sony thread btw

20 million day one, 100m end of year one,has to be