And what 3rd party exclusives would that be? Please don't tell me you're one of those people who counts indie games on PSN as real exclusives.... Also PD was great but for me personally,  it's absurd to consider it better than the PS3 games listed.

They are loosing with the PSVITA, and i dont see them trying at all.

You're using goalposts. The whole point of the thread was about what Sony is doing for support of the console. You're saying it's ok to use third party exclusives but not indies, and no multiplats.

Just even based on multiplats alone there are far more higher rated games to play on ps4.

Just because your very specific criteria (which doesn't even follow the thread argument) fits better, other criteria fit the ps4 better. Multiplats, total number of games, better first party exclusives, better indies, more media content, etc. Using such an specific metric would be like saying ps3 is superior because it supported pc to console streaming....for some individuals, yes, that makes a world of difference. For others, not so much.

Because there is so much room to debate which criterion is best from personal perspectives, it's best to just stick with the narrative of the OP, which is that humble Sony did more for the ps3 than "arrogant sony" is doing for the ps4. In terms of first party software, the simple answer is no. PS4 first party exclusives are quite a cut above the ps3's.

I actually hated Sony when they were losing because they got super arrogant and I felt they deserved everything that was happening to them since they asked for it. Now they have learnt that lesson and are more careful.

But to be sincere every gaming company made this. Nintendo with N64, Sony with the PS3 and Microsoft with the Xbox One. At least Microsoft reacted much faster to that.

I actually like my PS4 more than my PS3. PS3 OS was too sluggish and not being able to open apps or the browser while playing was a PITA. PS4 is great with screenshots and video capture too.

Despite that, I think people are comparing PS4 with PS3 mid gen. Most new IPs from Sony came after the PS3 slim big push, that was 3 years down the road for PS3.

Anyway, you are a well know PC gamer on the forum (a "PC master race" sign also helps to identify), so it seems more oriented to your personal preferences and bias than to the console itself.

So let me get this straight. You originally list Bloodborne as a part of your argument which was not developed by a Sony first part studio. Seeing this example I provide other studios who put out exclusives for the PS3. Yet I'm using goalposts? Right. 

I am also shaking my head at your 3rd party comment. I never stated anything in regards to multiplats so I have no clue where the hell you are getting that from. I did state that indies are not real exclusives because the 99 percentile does not buy a console for an indie exclusive. Common sense.

I highly suggest that you do some research when comparing the multiplats offerings and stating PS4 was superior. A simple browse through meta critic should help you clear up your inaccuracies on that one. They are fairly similar in that regard.

PS3 was a superior multimedia device (streaming, video playback,etc) in comparison to what the PS4 is right now but I will admit there is currently more digital content compared to the same time frame.

You can debate to your hearts content but using games that were strictly first party (if you insist); Uncharted, Resistance, Motorstorm, Warhawk, GT5:P ,  are " a cut above Killzone:SF, Infamous:SS, Driveclub ,The Order ,Knack and even when included The Last Of Us Remaster, have a higher combined rating. No debate about it.

Sony owns the IP...smh

THe simple question here is "what is Sony doign to help the ps4" vs "what did Sony do to help the ps3".

While Uncharted was unquestionably a good game, UC2 and 3 were leaps and bounds better. Quality has improved significantly over time. Resistance wasn't even a good game, neither was motorstorm or warhawk. I would know, I had ALL of them. It was ALL Sony had in terms of their offerings. GT5:P is really the only significant title there along with uncharted.

Sony paid for PT. Sony developed all those games. Sony Japan developed Bloodborne in conjunction with FROM. It's plain to see on the wiki. Although a little thought into why Sony owns the IP, would've told you that without the source. Or if you owned the game, and saw SCE and Japan Studio right on the box.

ps3:
gta4, modern warfare, mgs4, oblivion, uncharted, assassin's creed, resistance, gt:p, motorstorm, guitar hero 3, lego star wars, burnout paradise, fifa 08, fight night round 3, heavenly sword, pro evo 2008, devil may cry 4, ridge racer 7, need for speed, singstar, hot shots golf, virtua fighter 5,
That's all the million sellers.

Compared to:
gta5, call of duty advanced warfare, fifa 15, destiny, watch dogs, ac unity, far cry 4, cod ghosts, last of us redux, infamous second son, killzone shadow fall, middle earth, minecraft, madden, driveclub, dragonage inquisition, evil within, need for speed rivals, knack, wolfenstein, battlefield hardline, lbp3, mgs:ground zeroes. Those are the million sellers.

Those are all the million sellers just to date.
There are 116 retail titles on the ps4 to date.

There were 185 titles on ps3 through the entirety of 2008, including digital.


valkyria chronicles didn't even hit the states until december.

Too bad there will never be a repeat of that...

Even if Sony and the PS4 runs away with this generation and crushes the competition and nabs 60-70% market share the advancement in technology and shyet has left out small and medium game developers.

PS2 got a ton of small and medium budget games and some where even gems but with the cost of developing games these day, we either get small indies or big budget games...lame

No. I don't want Sony, or anyone losing. Competition is needed to create great games.