Those arrogant, horrible and cruel Nintendo fans. Everything is always their fault. Absolutely horrendous. Cancer to the industry and the world.

Well you can't expect a double standard. If the market was proven it could sell, you guys would get better games. You can buy 3rd parties on the PS4, but don't expect games to come to you.

I've gone into this in detail a number of times, however, I will say in summary that Nintendo fans have been conditioned to expect second rate efforts from third parties, largely by the fault of the third parties. They expect low sales, so they put in low effort and this whole thing just becomes a cycle of positive feedback and a self fulfilling prophecy.

This is a hole third parties have dug, and only they can pull themselves out of it. However, they don't want to and they don't need to.

All in all, blaming Nintendo for underpowered harware is only one small part of the equation and blaming Nintendo fans is just silly.

This notion of Nintendo fans not buying third parties is skewed. Nintendo fans by them but they're so small in number that it doesn't make a difference. Third party games fail on Nintendo consoles because the majority of people who own a Nintendo console aren't die hard Nintendo fans and they don't buy games like that.

It's on the third parties to make me (and other Nintendo fans) want their products. It's not on me to bribe them. And as I said, I don't even buy AssCreed, Battlefield, or CoD on PS4.

You admit those games ran worse than the other versions but still go on to blame the customers?

I don't get OP on this. He says the ports of 3rd parties were inferior to the other consoles, but was the userbase's fault the ones who caused the migration because they didn't bought them. If you said fans should have bought the games well optimised instead of the ones that weren't, that would be one thing. But you're saying 3rd parties made superior versions elsewhere, people bought those where their money was worth the most, and somehow they are to blame.

You see, the problem we've had is that they (the 3rd parties) release a half assed port, and then blame the userbase for not supporting the releases. The games released without online multiplayer, no DLC, and, in most cases, they ran horribly bad (both framerate and resolution).

There were also delays, like the famous case of Rayman Legends. We don't demand from the third parties anything more than what they should do: release a multiplatfor game on the Wii U. And we complain because when they do, they treat us like less than the other userbases.

Obviously, there are exceptions. And sure, it is true that 3rd party games sell generally worse on Nintendo platforms. But look at ZombiU or Hyrule Warriors. They sold *almost* similar numbers, but only one of them was profitable...

Both sold less than 300k on the Wii U, while selling millions on other systems.

The OP is basically saying it's Nintendo fans' fault for not blindly putting down $60 for every piece of half-assed shit put out by EA, Activision, and Ubisoft. Fuck that.