Im farily confident there was nothing PS2 had on GC except disc size.  IIRC GCN had more/faster ram, better cpu and gpu.  Heck some argued it was more efficient than OG xbox (resi 4 was arguably best looking game of that gen).  You're right about the disc limitations for certain games, but for a game like say, Vice City, a big chunk of that is audio files which could be further compressed or degraded in quality, and even have some tracks/stations removed if nec.  

Very true, MS just cleaned up the scraps that was already taken mostly by PS.  But to your point about using ninty chars. in some 3rd party games, there was ONE GC gm that performed the best of the 3, and that was the Soul calibur w/Link.  

My thing is, why not try to rectify the situation, don't take gamers for granted and don't flat out give up any segment of the game community.  Nintendo has lost a lot of respect for no longer "competing".  this passive aggressive, we're not really competing nonsense has to come to an end other wise Ninty will end up bullied out of business and become 3rd party/toy maker. 

Agreed with unquoted parts for sure, but for the 3rd parties not interested in Nintendo part, its up to NINTENDO to create enticing HW, that ensures the audience will get power and features like/better than the competition.  I hold the theory of "if you build it, they will come".  And nintendo simply hasn't been building it lately.  Its like, a straight man being accused of being...you know...and not defend himself! Very suspect.  Nintendo did react in the sega genesis war(fixed the blood issue in mortal kombat) but they got tired of that fight it seemed and just accepted the kiddie label, when they were actually very balanced all around during SNES and i'd guess NES days as well.  

Just to clarify something ... Soul Calibur 2 did best on the PS2. The GameCube version with Link happened to edge out the XBox version, being one of the few times a multiplat sold better on the GCN than the XBox, but that was it. 

And there's a limited number of games you can shoe-horn Link into, so that wasn't really of any solace to third party developers. 

Alot of fanboys were making claims based on nothing and simply not true at all. Some straight lies too. As we clearly see with sales it does matter. Most people arent going to want to play a version of a game that is THAT inferior. 

No they really havent which again. Alot of Wii version of games were missing features and just straight ran like crap. Thats not on 3rds Ninty made the system they made and it just couldnt handle the games the PS360 could, people noticed rest is history.

Most GC multiplats were the worst selling but at least they sold close to the Xbox versions which make sense since those two systems sold alike

Third parties just don't need Nintendo. Now that there are two better alternatives for them in Sony and MS, Nintendo just isn't needed.

Im farily confident there was nothing PS2 had on GC except disc size.  IIRC GCN had more/faster ram, better cpu and gpu.  Heck some argued it was more efficient than OG xbox (resi 4 was arguably best looking game of that gen).  You're right about the disc limitations for certain games, but for a game like say, Vice City, a big chunk of that is audio files which could be further compressed or degraded in quality, and even have some tracks/stations removed if nec.  

Basically the big western publishers & Nintendo have different views on the types of games they make and this leads to them attracting different audiences so western 3rd parties don't need Nintendo & Nintendo doesn't need western 3rd parties.

Except Japanese 3rd party support for their consoles has been even worse. Ubi Soft and Activision have been actually two of Nintendo's better third party partners. 

And every console manufacturer needs Western third party support if they want to be truly relevant in the West, but I think Nintendo is kind of just out of it when it comes to that. The mistake was letting both Sony AND Microsoft gain large footholds into the industry, that's really where all these problems stem from. 

Consumers, third parties, etc. no one really wants a third wheel console. There's never been three successful consoles at once except when the Wii went to a total casual slant opening up a temporary new audience that's since shifted away. 

When talking about Nintendo, u can't just leave out the side of their business that receives about 70% of their software output. So far this generation, Nintendo has published about 30 games for Wii U and about 70 games for 3DS.

Nintendo has shipped about 40 million units of hardware, and growing, to the west on the strength of Nintendo-published titles, and with Japanese/indie/child friendly games serving as secondary support. So no, Nintendo really doesn't need the mainstream, AAA western titles that Playstation/Xbox rely on.

If they want to sell more than 20 million home consoles ever again they probably do. Japan doesn't buy any consoles so they're out, almost all console sales are in the West, and it's kind of a long term dead end to try and sell game hardware to the Western audience with no Western games. 

I don't know honestly. Nintendo's in a tough spot, because they really I don't think can adequetely compete with Sony/MS, so I dunno. I think NX is going to be profitable for them, but they're going to expand more into where things like their non-traditional business lines -- mobile games, movie franchising, theme park tie-ins, etc. eventually makes more money for them than traditional gaming does. 

Kind of like how Marvel Comics branched out far beyond just comics or LEGO makes a lot of money these days outside of just selling toy blocks. That's kinda where I think Nintendo is headed. 

They have done OK with the 3DS in the West, but their handheld line is also suffering massive losses in the West and that erosion becomes more and more obvious every year. I don't know if they'll be able to match the 3DS' sales in the West next time out, 3DS still sorta benefitted from at least early on not having such a soldified mobile gaming landscape to compete against (holiday 2011 in particular was a good one of the 3DS in the West, but the wheels fell off after that).