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zorg1000 on 26 May 2015
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
I think Soundwave is right, the majority of us Nintendo simply don't give a shit about mainstream 3rd party titles.

Games like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Grand Theft Auto, Sports games simply don't appeal to me, I own a Wii U & 3DS so there is literally never any droughts when it comes to Nintendo published software, indies and niche Japanese games.


That or the majority of "us" Nintendo fans also own a Playstation and/or XBox. 

I probably spend more money on Nintendo than anyone on this site and have been a Nintendo hardware owner since 1989, but I've also not been a "Nintendo-only" console consumer since the Super Nintendo days. 

If I had chosen to be "Nintendo only", I would have gone crazy during the N64 drought days or the given up on gaming with the Wii and all its casual shovelware. 

I love Nintendo, but there's no way in hell I'd only buy a Nintendo console. It wouldn't meet all my needs for gaming diversity. 


That's true as well, the last 2 generations I have bought a Playstation near the end of the generation to play the Sony exclusives and select 3rd party games that appeal to me and I'll probably do the same this generation and pick up a PS4 in the next year or two. My point is that someone could realistically own just Nintendo devices and never have droughts.



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impertinence on 26 May 2015

I don't really consider myself a Nintendo fan, but I am going on a second straight generation as a Nintendo only owner so I guess I count anyway.

The way I see it I don't spend any time worrying about who published what game, I don't care if it's 1st, 2nd or 3rd party, I buy the games that I think will appeal to me and I don't buy games that don't appeal to me. Sometimes there are games that I would have bought if they were available, but most of the time it's a game that I have no interest in. I spend a total of 0 seconds worrying about it. If Project Cars comes out for the Wii U I will buy it, if not I won't. If GTA becomes a Wii U exclusive I won't buy it. When Don't starve comes, I will get it. Just like I will buy Splatoon and would buy another Lego City game if one was made. I won't buy Mario Party 10 nor will I buy any new Assassins Creed games after I tried to support that series early on in the Wii U's life. To me, the 'assins Creed' part of the name is superfluous and I have no interest.

What I wouldn't mind seeing though would be big publishers bringing over smaller games that are less of a financial risk. Stuff like Child of Light and other projects that are closer to the experiences I look for in video games. As it stands though, the Wii U is probably the second best video game system ever for me personally and only set to get better. I have no need for more 'big' games.



DonFerrari on 26 May 2015
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:


That or the majority of "us" Nintendo fans also own a Playstation and/or XBox. 

I probably spend more money on Nintendo than anyone on this site and have been a Nintendo hardware owner since 1989, but I've also not been a "Nintendo-only" console consumer since the Super Nintendo days. 

If I had chosen to be "Nintendo only", I would have gone crazy during the N64 drought days or the given up on gaming with the Wii and all its casual shovelware. 

I love Nintendo, but there's no way in hell I'd only buy a Nintendo console. It wouldn't meet all my needs for gaming diversity. 


That's true as well, the last 2 generations I have bought a Playstation near the end of the generation to play the Sony exclusives and select 3rd party games that appeal to me and I'll probably do the same this generation and pick up a PS4 in the next year or two. My point is that someone could realistically own just Nintendo devices and never have droughts.

I mainly play Sony 1st parties... and even though 3rd parties ceased to exist I wouldn't feel too much, but it's good to have some great games like Batman... so with nintendo having several great franchises it's quite comprehensible why someone wouldn't miss much playing only Nintendo (of course some genres would have to abstain).



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Chazore on 26 May 2015
Captain_Yuri said:

I think the issue with it the third party games is that other consoles are getting the "full" version with all the features where as the wiiU owners are getting the gimped version (not graphically but gameplay experience wise such as dlc and etc) so since that is the case, I think the wiiU owners have every right to whine and bash them.

Cause the thing is, if say Call of Duty had no DLC in all the other consoles and then came to the wiiU with no DLC, the I doubt anyone would whine or bash but when you have games on other consoles that have dlc/features that aren't on the wiiU but you are still expecting people to pay top dollar for it, then u are just riding the nonsense train. And the issue is that in terms of third party + wiiU, it is exactly like that hence why Nintendo fans don't support many third party games and it is fully justifiable as to why imo. There are of course exceptions to the rule but that is generally what has happened for most third party games

But with games like splatoon, everyone is getting the same version so when a game like splatoon doesn't have VC, while it sucks for anyone that wants VC, at the very least, everyone is getting a game that has the same experience hence why I think there is a lot less whining about it. Not to say that not having VC and stuff is a good thing but again, the main difference is that third party games = other consoles have all the content + far better optomized and etc  vs gimped + optomiozation issues on the wiiU + missing content like DLC where as Nintendo games = everyone on the wiiU getting the samething (obviously)

There is no reason for anyone to support a gimped version of anything. Why should wiiU owners pay a premium for less? There is no reason to when there are other games that are from Nintendo that offer the same version for everyone (obviously cause those games are exclusive)

I was typing something like this out but yall go and beat me to the punch, said everything that I wanted to say lol.

 



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oniyide on 26 May 2015
MikeRox said:
160rmf said:


Ditto


This is a perfectly valid stance. Hell, Wii U is my most used home console this gen and I love the games on it. However, it's not a well rounded lineup and will never attract a mass market to sustain it long term.


its a good stance but if they trule believed it why even comment on the issue? why be upset?



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oniyide on 26 May 2015
Captain_Yuri said:
Soundwave said:
Captain_Yuri said:
Soundwave said:

 

You do realize that this is about why Nintendo fans are bitching about third parties right? The thread is about Nintendo fans vs third parties afterall and my posts have explained why Nintendo fans may not like third parties and they have every right to... So I don't get what you are trying to say here

And the issue is that they shouldn't have done it in the first place. The fact that they released games with missing content and etc is nonsense. Now they aren't releasing anything which is fine since its a waste of money for almost everyone but the fact that they did and thought that they could get away with it is what the issue is and it left a pretty bad impression on many people.


because the games that werent missing content sold so well, right.



oniyide on 26 May 2015

are some people pretending DLCs matter all that much? OK



160rmf on 26 May 2015
oniyide said:
MikeRox said:


This is a perfectly valid stance. Hell, Wii U is my most used home console this gen and I love the games on it. However, it's not a well rounded lineup and will never attract a mass market to sustain it long term.


its a good stance but if they trule believed it why even comment on the issue? why be upset?


Why upset? Maybe because we are on a videogame sales site? It upsets me that a console with so many great games are failling behind the others bc the lack of COD and Yearly sport games



 

 

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zippy on 26 May 2015

If Nintendo expanded and got more in house studios to pump out their great games at a faster rate, we wouldnt even have a 3rd party situation, They would be rendered obsolete. I honestly dont know why Nintendo dont just do away with 3rd parties and create a bunch of garage teams. Let Retro handle western style games, and aquire somebody like Shinen who have a great track record with Ninty hardware, to make racers and action games.



zippy on 26 May 2015
oniyide said:
are some people pretending DLCs matter all that much? OK

If it is of the value and quality of Mario Kart 8 DLC then yes :)