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Barkley said:
Because if pedophilia is a sexuality it's one that can't be acted on without abusing a child, which is obviously wrong. Is it their fault they are attracted? Probably not, but if they don't have the willpower to resist doing something terrible then they need to be dealt with accordingly.

Exactly my thoughts.



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Dunban67 said:

i did not say i am for prosecution due to thought-  don t try atribute something to me that i did not say-  if yo do please quote it

"drawing a line that doesn t exist?"  The line does exist legally and otherwise

you should not forget that or you might get in serious trouble one day-  


Persecution, not prosecution...they don't mean the same thing. I think most people would agree that castrating pedophiles would be considered persecution, in addition to the persecution that many others have discussed throughout the thread.

Additionally, the line I am talking about is the line between the rape of a child and the rape of an adult. Both are pretty severe crimes, and while they often have different legislation, they are both rape and it doesn't make sense to treat one group of potential rapists different than another group of potential rapists.



sc94597 said:
Puppyroach said:
pedophilia - I find it a disgusting act of abuse. 

That is not the definition of pedophillia, that is the definition of child abuse. 

The sexual preference in itself might not be abusive but the moment a pedophile acts on those impulses, he or she is abusing a minor.



Because nothing good comes from that 'preference', only morally and legally wrong things do.
So yeah the hate is justified. The question is, is the defence justified?

Fair enough if you consider it an illness, but look at what happens to people with other illness like ebola, they also get their rights taken away whether they like it or not in order to keep others safe.



Puppyroach said:
sc94597 said:

That is not the definition of pedophillia, that is the definition of child abuse. 

The sexual preference in itself might not be abusive but the moment a pedophile acts on those impulses, he or she is abusing a minor.

Who was arguing against that? Nobody is saying, "Let pedophiles have sex with pre-pubsescent children." Also I think it is important to distinguish a post-pubescent minor and a pre-pubescent one. 



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fps_d0minat0r said:
Because nothing good comes from that 'preference', only morally and legally wrong things do.
So yeah the hate is justified. The question is, is the defence justified?

Fair enough if you consider it an illness, but look at what happens to people with other illness like ebola, they also get their rights taken away whether they like it or not in order to keep others safe.


Why should those who don't act on their impulses be hated?



JazzB1987 said:
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JazzB1987 said:


The problem I have with this is the following tho.

How do you know if its non-consentual?

What if the child doesnt care? I mean lets assume the kid never saw movies or watched news or whatever and NOONE ever told the child that having sex can be something bad then the kid would not care.

Society just tells us whats good and whats bad.

What I mean by saying this?
Let me give you one example. (girl in this "story" being 25 years old not a 8 year old kid)

1 Girl is drunk and passes out. She gets raped. She never knows = no change whatsoever.

meanwhile in parallel universe.

1 Girl gets drunk passes out. She gets raped. She doesnt know for years and 3 years later someone tells her = OMG WORLD IMPLODES.

The only difference is in her head because know she thinks about how bad rape is in society and that she needs to feel ashamed sad angry scared etc.

We no it's not consentual because the kid doesn't have the understanding to give informed consent. Even if the kid felt it didn't mind it wouldn't be capable 
of giving consent. 

As for society telling us what's right and wrong. We create the rules about whats right and wrong in sociaty and we do so so we can live together in vast numbers with, ideally, a low risk of bad things happening to us and the people we care about, such as murder, thief and rape.

When is it informed tho?

  • Does the kid have to know what sex is and that it can result in babies unless you use a condom etc. and is that enough?
  • or does it have to know that its bad to have sex with older people and that its not good and unethical and whatnot? (teach arbitrary society rules?)
  • or does it have to reach a specific age for it to understand?

(I mean its not like a 14 year old is dumb otherwhise kids would kill others all the time because they cannot understand what death is etc.)


As far as I am concerned we just ignore that topic because its more conventient that way and therefore our kids dont know what can happen. If we would tell our kids from the start how they were born (and no stupid STORK stories) how sex works etc then there would probably not be a debate about "not knowing enough". We tell kids that its not good to punch other kids because it causes harm etc. and our e.g 10 year old kids understand pain and death and whatnot but sex is to complicated? whaat?
We treat our children like idiots. Because most of us humans are indeed idiots.


You could also argue that a child should not eat fish or pork etc unless it understands that animals get killed.

That Babe the sheep pig.

is a family member of this:



Then everyone should raise their children as vegetarians unless they understand what meat actually is and can decide on their own. Most grown ups simply dont care anymore because they are used to eating it so why stop now when you already did this 18 years? But we are again to lazy to do this so we just dont care.




Shielding children from every single preconception about anything that involves opinions basically is such a non-option it doesn't matter. And there's also the thing that little kids feel uncomfortable if someone around them act creepy and looks at them weirdly, or reven worse, touches them, even without any (or minimal at least) preconceptions about it. So even in this hypothetical world where it was possible to shield children from every preconception, I'd still think it woildn't work. Then there's the fact that we don't live in a worl like that. In this worl, we do know that children can get serious mental damage from a sexual relationship with an older person. Wether that mental damage arises from the preconceptions in society, or from the actual relationship is largely irrelevant, because there's no way this child would be shielded from preconceptions, and this child would also grow up and it would no longer get this hypothetical shielding, and thus be subjected to the preconceptions, and they may get pshycological issues first then. Pshycological issues can arise after several years.



JazzB1987 said:
Bofferbrauer said:
The problem with pedophilia is that it's exclusivly non-consentual, so there's no one who could live it's sexual orientation without abusing a child. This includes Child pornography, as these children are either forced to do so or doesn't even know what happens to them.

I would, however, also rather call it a sexual orientation than a mental disorder. The mental problem that comes with it for a person with pedophilia is to understand you'll never be able to live your sexual orientation, have to live a different life and to hide your actual orientation, which is probably too much pressure for quite a few of them and driving them literally mad.


The problem I have with this is the following tho.

How do you know if its non-consentual?

What if the child doesnt care? I mean lets assume the kid never saw movies or watched news or whatever and NOONE ever told the child that having sex can be something bad then the kid would not care.


Someone probably already responded to this. But in the UK at least, sex with anybody under the age of 16 is automatically non-consensual as they are deemed too young to be able to give consent.

Even a 16 year old sleeping with a 15 year old is classed as rape here as the 15 year old (even if a male) is not old enough to given consent.

This is why rape laws need looking at, because to me, this "crime" is nowhere near on the same level as a violent rape. However at the moment, they are one and the same.



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Ka-pi96 said:
MikeRox said:

Someone probably already responded to this. But in the UK at least, sex with anybody under the age of 16 is automatically non-consensual as they are deemed too young to be able to give consent.

Even a 16 year old sleeping with a 15 year old is classed as rape here as the 15 year old (even if a male) is not old enough to given consent.

This is why rape laws need looking at, because to me, this "crime" is nowhere near on the same level as a violent rape. However at the moment, they are one and the same.

That's not quite true. Firstly the older person has to actually be over 18, so if they were 16/17 it's unlikely to be classed as rape (providing the person they are with is at least over 13). Secondly, it only applies if the older person knew they were underage. If they had reason to believe they weren't (whether because they look older or they claimed to be older) then that too wouldn't be classed as rape.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/9


Ah, it's changed since I was in school then haha (I see the law was updated in 2003) however, I have still heard of concerns over such a thing even now so there have been cases involving this that have gone to court.



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