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o_O.Q said:
Toxy said:

I just thought I would interject.

I have known plenty of people who have been married without the religious side of it. They do not get married via a priest, in a church etc.

It is a ceremony based on the two individuals uniting with one another. Whether they are straight or gay. It is a ritual of their love and admiration of one another. It is essentially inspired by a religious ceremony, however, it has been altered to suit their needs.
The engagement ring is a fairly new concept that was created in order to profit from diamonds. So if anything it is more of a capitalistic ritual than anything, but that is going to completely off topic territory so I will not tread there.

Just my two cents.



"The engagement ring is a fairly new concept that was created in order to profit from diamonds."

no the use of the ring in the union of people is a very old religious tradition from long before our era and long before even christianity 

There are very few religions to this date that predate Christianity.
Most religions practiced before Christianity are myths now. You still have Judaism and a rare select few.

You could almost class it as being a ritual based on mythology at this point as due to the insane amount of time the ceremonial ring itself was conceived, was before the Roman Empire.



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Toxy said:
Ouroboros24 said:
Mr.Playstation said:

So what I want to know from you guys and especially those people here who are Atheists is why you guys are Atheists. Is it because other religions aren't precise enough when it comes to what they're saying? Is it because you outright believe other religions are wrong?.....and so on.

 

Disclaimer: Any people here who follow another religion will not be allowed to quote any other users who are stating why they are Atheists and telling them they are wrong. This is only here so that I and other people can learn more about Atheism and why people who are Atheists choose this "path" instead of  "paths" offered by other religions.

God lies within the mystery of existence.  God does not necessarily exist with a religion, God exist no matter what.  There is no good, no bad, just the power of a God that has created what we perceive to be the universe. 

Labels like Christianity, or Buddism or even Atheism mean nothing as there is a version of a God, the meaning, the definition of the word.  God, is like Wind, that it may not be seen, but there is evidence of it's existence as grass and leaves sway.  There is no tangible evidence that God exist, but as with the Wind blowing in the breeze, there is God changing and shifting the universe as only God can.  God exists within the mystery of existence.  Mic drop!


Wind is not mystical. People know how wind works as science has proven the functions of wind. 
People do not freak out whenever wind passes them by and think "oh that must be GEERRRD", "oh and da grass moves cos of wind, also GEEERD".

This is one of the most pathetic attempts I have ever seen someone try to make at legitimising a deity.
The OP explicitly said that this was an atheist only topic. We have been civil about our thoughts, but when such a post is made when it was unneeded and shares no merit, warrents such a reaction.

Saying God exists because of mystery writes off every question which leads to stagnation. I swear, it is like religious people do not want the actual answers of existence and want to live in a life of fantasy and pixie dust. This is just stagnation and leads to no real answers, no progress, just the beliefs of nobles and peasants from centuries ago. 


Let me explain myself.  First off, I think this has a lot to do with the topic.  Why are you an atheist?  I'm not, but I sorta am.  I know, confusing.  I don't believe in the religion aspect of it, not crazy snakes or parting of seas or pregnant virgins, etc.  What I do believe, is that there is a God, by definition.  An all mighty being, capable of any thing and everything all the time since forever in the past and into the future.  By believing in this ultimate power, that is the God I speak of.  Not the good being, not bad being, simply the being that is capable of all. That's the God I believe in.  An almighty being capable of it all, yet does not regard the tiny ants that exist within God's realm(us and everything else that exist).

This is my thought process of the matter.  I exist because of my mother.  My mother exist because of the past.  The past exist because of the present and the future, therefore the past exists forever as the future.  If the Past has always existed, that means that the future will always exist as well.  So, if the past and future are eternal, this is God's work.  A long line forever in both directions forever.  Let's take a look at that word: forever.  Like a magic word in terms of existing, like pixie dust, but unlike pixie dust, it's real, not tangeble but as real as Time.  Forever in the past and forever in the future, and it's real.  And since those two concepts exists, how can one deny the existence of a being that created it.  Perhaps God is just a continuation of the past to the future and all in between is God's(the all powerful being) actions based this universe's course of action.  Don't even get me started on string theory and God's role in it.

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Toxy said:
o_O.Q said:



"The engagement ring is a fairly new concept that was created in order to profit from diamonds."

no the use of the ring in the union of people is a very old religious tradition from long before our era and long before even christianity 

There are very few religions to this date that predate Christianity.
Most religions practiced before Christianity are myths now. You still have Judaism and a rare select few.

You could almost class it as being a ritual based on mythology at this point as due to the insane amount of time the ceremonial ring itself was conceived, was before the Roman Empire.


"There are very few religions to this date that predate Christianity." no there were many many religions before the abrahamic religions

secondly catholicism the version from which all other forms of christianity sprang was formed through combining the original version of chrisitianity with several pagan beliefs and rituals

that is why the day of worshipped changed from saturnday to sunday for example

this was done so that the emperor of rome ( who became the pope ) could exert control over both pagans and chrisitans by placing himself at the head of the religion that combined the two belief systems : catholicism

 

as i mentioned before that is why a giant penis resides in the courtyard at the vatican ( as it does with the washington monument ) along with the circular temple of the sun which surrounds it with all kinds of other stuff that no one wants to look at because it sounds crazy because they have been taught to view what is crazy and what isn't

 

i went to a meeting at a mystery school recently and the doors were shaped like this   on my way home i saw this same exact symbolism on a church because again in many ways they are the same thing the vatican is itself a mystery school

 

but anyway my overall point in posting here is that people need to show more humility and be open minded because when it comes down to it the vast majority of us do not understand what is going on and that because of that in many ways we are being manipulated without acknowledging it the examples of this that should be most evident are the recent wars



Toxy said:
o_O.Q said:



"The engagement ring is a fairly new concept that was created in order to profit from diamonds."

no the use of the ring in the union of people is a very old religious tradition from long before our era and long before even christianity 

There are very few religions to this date that predate Christianity.
Most religions practiced before Christianity are myths now. You still have Judaism and a rare select few.

You could almost class it as being a ritual based on mythology at this point as due to the insane amount of time the ceremonial ring itself was conceived, was before the Roman Empire.

Hinduism? 1.1B

Buddhism? 488M

Shintoism? 100M

All 3 much bigger than Judaism



Lawlight said:
Toxy said:

There are very few religions to this date that predate Christianity.
Most religions practiced before Christianity are myths now. You still have Judaism and a rare select few.

You could almost class it as being a ritual based on mythology at this point as due to the insane amount of time the ceremonial ring itself was conceived, was before the Roman Empire.

Hinduism? 1.1B

Buddhism? 488M

Shintoism? 100M

All 3 much bigger than Judaism


I understand that they are bigger than Judaism. I even stated that there are a few others that remain, however, most religions from that era have become myths. What we know to be Greek Mythology was religion way back when.  

Shintoism is a surprise to me though, I would have thought that Judaism has more of a following. I will take your word for it as I am currently busy and will not look up the statistics as of yet.

My point was that the exchange of rings can be done in a matter that is not deemed religious. I think that is what bothers those who are religious. They feel like they have had some sort of ritual stolen from them - it has merely been adapted to remove the religious connotations that it once had. Something can become a tradition without being associated with religion. That may have been initial origins, however, if you attend the wedding ceremonies of those who are not religious, the difference is light and day.
Just because two people want to unite with one another, does not imply any religious connotation. 



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This thread has gotten off topic because of some posts trying to derail the original intention of this thread. Sorry it took so long.

But with said, here's an in thread warning: I don't care how right anyone thinks they are when it comes to this subject. You will be respectful of others who do not share your views. So please, be mindful that shots at others and generalizations do nothing for your stance except to demean others and delegitimize your own arguments. Things like "I grew up" "I have common sense" "_____ is like the Tooth Fairy/Santa Claus" are arguments that serve to demean and degrade others and their beliefs.

Remember, this is a video game sales website. First off and foremost, we're about treating others with respect, no matter how wrong you may think they are. The rest of the discussion topics, like this one, are just icing on the cake. I like my icing sweet, so think sweet! Icky tasting icing goes right in the trash can. :)



Ouroboros24 said:

Let me explain myself.  First off, I think this has a lot to do with the topic.  Why are you an atheist?  I'm not, but I sorta am.  I know, confusing.  I don't believe in the religion aspect of it, not crazy snakes or parting of seas or pregnant virgins, etc.  What I do believe, is that there is a God, by definition.  An all mighty being, capable of any thing and everything all the time since forever in the past and into the future.  By believing in this ultimate power, that is the God I speak of.  Not the good being, not bad being, simply the being that is capable of all. That's the God I believe in.  An almighty being capable of it all, yet does not regard the tiny ants that exist within God's realm(us and everything else that exist).

This is my thought process of the matter.  I exist because of my mother.  My mother exist because of the past.  The past exist because of the present and the future, therefore the past exists forever as the future.  If the Past has always existed, that means that the future will always exist as well.  So, if the past and future are eternal, this is God's work.  A long line forever in both directions forever.  Let's take a look at that word: forever.  Like a magic word in terms of existing, like pixie dust, but unlike pixie dust, it's real, not tangeble but as real as Time.  Forever in the past and forever in the future, and it's real.  And since those two concepts exists, how can one deny the existence of a being that created it.  Perhaps God is just a continuation of the past to the future and all in between is God's(the all powerful being) actions based this universe's course of action.  Don't even get me started on string theory and God's role in it.

Atheists do not believe in something that cannot be proven to be real. 

You are not an Atheist if you are attempting to justify your God. Just because you do not believe in an established religion does not make you an Atheist. You have just created your own God, therefore you are definitely not an Atheist. 
You have not provided any tangible evidence either. You are merely saying that because the past, present and future exist (and those within it) that a God must exist.
That is essentially every religion. It does not provide any evidence of a God existing. You have no physical evidence other than what you perceive is reality.

Wind is caused by physics. The movement of the Earth's plate, atmosphere, gravity etc. I am not a physicist so someone knowledgable of this matter can correct me if I am wrong in this. I simply know that physics has proven what causes wind etc. 
Just because we exist, does not mean God exist. Just because time exists does not mean God exists. This is not evidence whatsoever. No one is denying that time is real, but to argue that time exists therefore God exists is definitely grasping at straws.

Because time exists so does Harry Potter. Time cannot exist without Harry Potter. I came from my mother, and Harry Potter had a mother. He is real and a part of time. He has even time travelled. He is GOD.

 

Edit: Earlier in this thread I state why I am an Atheist. No need to repeat myself.



I was raised as a Catholic, I was actually heavily involved with the church at a young age, but when growing up and seeing just how many religions were out there, I just couldn't believe anymore, that sounds cliche but that's how it happened to me.

Also knowing about all the disgusting things the church (especially the Catholic) have done throughout the years, I could not believe in the Church anymore. My turning point was seeing a documentary about pedophiles priest, which as a kid, I of course had no idea that was happening, and how big the problem is today.

That began my process of becoming an atheist. 

At first I decided to not believe in any church, but I still believed in God (that was probably the leftovers of being an active Catholic) but I slowly began losing complete faith that there's a higher power who created the universe; after watching so many science documentaries, talking with atheist teachers and getting more and more involved in talking with people of other religions, I simple...could not believe anymore. 

I guess you could say I grew up, kind of like kids who believe in Santa Claus.



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o_O.Q said:
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yes there is no overt intentional demonstration of worship of a god 

but the fact remains that these are all symbols associated with god's of antiquity and atheists blindly adopt them and partake in various rituals without really trying to understand what the origins of these things are

then amusingly to me they bash theists for the same thing for blindly following without analysing

how many atheists for example question why we exchange rings during marriage as opposed to just blindly following the practice?

for the most part none because they have not been told to question the practice

atheist just like theists have been lead



Nowadays the rings are a symbol of a union, a token. Its also a way to avoid disconfort from undesired aproaches. Its sociology, not religion.

You know... gay men and women also trade rings. I dont know what that does to your story about it.

Ouroboros24 said:

 

This is my thought process of the matter.  I exist because of my mother.  My mother exist because of the past.  The past exist because of the present and the future, therefore the past exists forever as the future.  If the Past has always existed, that means that the future will always exist as well.  So, if the past and future are eternal, this is God's work.  A long line forever in both directions forever.  Let's take a look at that word: forever.  Like a magic word in terms of existing, like pixie dust, but unlike pixie dust, it's real, not tangeble but as real as Time.  Forever in the past and forever in the future, and it's real.  And since those two concepts exists, how can one deny the existence of a being that created it.  Perhaps God is just a continuation of the past to the future and all i...

There is a logical link missing there. The past exists because of the present and future? Time is time and it moves in one direction. It does not travel backwards unless you found time-travel for us. I know that in theory space-time could be bent, but practice is a different thing.

I can agree with the notion of infinites, though i would rather look at it as infinte cycles. We all look towards an origin point, but we sometimes forget is that an origin point can be the lack of any origin point. I just dont see where a deity fits in all this, he is unecessary and doesnt answer the origin of creation, it just displaces the question: who created god? If he was created out of nothing, why cant the universe? God again, just a displacer. An extra step that explains nothing.

The question that needs to be asked to all religious people is why is there a god? I dont even need proof. Logic and causality would be enough. 



osed125 said:

I was raised as a Catholic, I was actually heavily involved with the church at a young age, but when growing up and seeing just how many religions were out there, I just couldn't believe anymore, that sounds cliche but that's how it happened to me.

Also knowing about all the disgusting things the church (especially the Catholic) have done throughout the years, I could not believe in the Church anymore. My turning point was seeing a documentary about pedophiles priest, which as a kid, I of course had no idea that was happening, and how big the problem is today.

That began my process of becoming an atheist. 

At first I decided to not believe in any church, but I still believed in God (that was probably the leftovers of being an active Catholic) but I slowly began losing complete faith that there's a higher power who created the universe; after watching so many science documentaries, talking with atheist teachers and getting more and more involved in talking with people of other religions, I simple...could not believe anymore. 

I guess you could say I grew up, kind of like kids who believe in Santa Claus.

I appreciate your story, but as a thread let's please stay away from analogies of religion and myths that only children believe.  While it may or may not be how you view them, it isn't respectful to the other side and only serves to put a divide between the two groups.  



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