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sundin13 on 24 April 2015

Many of you are reading the title as Sakurai's words. They aren't. Sakurai isn't claiming all DLC is a scam, and thinking that he is is rather ridiculous. He is quite obviously talking about a specific type of DLC...

pokoko said:

Actually, that you seem willing to ignore all the previous complaining is the curious thing.  If you want to pretend that it never happened, then be my guest.  On top of that, though obviously we are talking about Nintendo fans in this instance, I've never said they have any kind of copyright on hipocrisy.  What I'm talking about is fans being against something until it comes home to them, which is something that has visited ALL the factions.


I still find that to be an incredibly silly complaint.

For one, video games as a whole harbored largely negative views of DLC for a long time, and many still hold those views (both Nintendo fans and non-Nintendo fans alike). The fact that some Nintendo fans don't have a problem with all DLC isn't exactly radical or fanboyish thinking.

Secondly, people change their minds. Logically, it makes all the sense in the world for those who primarily play on Nintendo consoles to have been against DLC practices. For years, livid complaining was present in the media and fanbases and we really had nothing but that to base our perceptions of DLC on. Then, Nintendo started bringing DLC to some of their games, and many were and some still are against that, and people started seeing DLC that wasn't negatively affecting games.

There have been numerous people outside of the Nintendo fanbase who have given Nintendo props for doing DLC right in most cases (not to say their handling of it has always been perfect). What you are seeing is people changing their mind. That is not hypocrisy. Now, if you see someone posting in one thread that Nintendo DLC is always perfect and in another they say that another DLC is terrible out of principle, that would be hypocrisy, however, that mostly occurs on within individuals and not fanbases and that sort of generalization does nothing to help the conversation.



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DolPhanTendo on 24 April 2015
potato_hamster said:
DolPhanTendo said:


Let me agree with you on your last paragraph because you are 100 percent accurate on that. If you do not see worth in game,like me with FPS, than there is no need to waste money on it that is your opinion and should be respected.

Your first argument is absolute wrong though,DLC is DLC, here is why. DLC is only reasonable for games like CoD, Battlefield, MarioKart, Smash, etc. Games with online multiplayer to keep gameplay fresh, I get that. However; buying a fucking 60 dollar game to find out you need a special DLC pack to properly finish the game is horseshit and greed based idea and you know it. This is why AAA third parties should not have control making video games or more and more of this shady shit will happen. So just because Nintendo says this now everyone who has problem with Nintendo now thinks it is okay to pay 60 dollar game that is unfinished? I do not see how blind hate can make people think being screwed is okay


". So just because Nintendo says this now everyone who has problem with Nintendo now thinks it is okay to pay 60 dollar game that is unfinished?" What? I never said anything like this ever.

You're taking some leaps here based on flawed logic. I never said all DLC is acceptable. And, you're acting like the DLC you're describing (which is atrocious and dispicable) is common. It simply isn't. Games where you need to buy DLC to properly finish the game can be counted on one hand.

So because literally a handful of games have done such DLC garbage, all third parties should not have control over the games they make? What?

Well that is what Sakurai is talking about you either missed his point or didn't read his story. Him and Iwata have been stating this a lot the past six months. 

That is probably the reason third party support has been minimal at best for the WiiU because third parties are starting to go this way and NINTENDO is trying to warn everyone. See Destiny as a prime example and EA. Nintendo is looking out for parents and kids not 22 year olds who have no responsibility so they can blow there money on anything. As a parent of two kids I appreciate that maybe someday you will too



Samus Aran on 24 April 2015
pokoko said:

Actually, that you seem willing to ignore all the previous complaining is the curious thing.  If you want to pretend that it never happened, then be my guest.  On top of that, though obviously we are talking about Nintendo fans in this instance, I've never said they have any kind of copyright on hipocrisy.  What I'm talking about is fans being against something until it comes home to them, which is something that has visited ALL the factions.


Most Nintendo fans only complain about day one dlc, on disk dlc, incomplete game at launch or overpriced dlc.

The DLC in SSB4 fits neither category. You might consider it pricey, but it fits with the prices of other dlc characters in fighting games. Even slightly cheaper in most cases.

The only Nintendo DLC I bought was the Mario Kart 8 pack. €12 for 16 new courses, 6 new characters and a bunch of new vehicles. Great content and price. I'm looking forward to future DLC of Nintendo games I like. It's a bummer that DKC: TF or SM3DW didn't have DLC.



alternine on 24 April 2015
DolPhanTendo said:

Well that is what Sakurai is talking about you either missed his point or didn't read his story. Him and Iwata have been stating this a lot the past six months. 

That is probably the reason third party support has been minimal at best for the WiiU because third parties are starting to go this way and NINTENDO is trying to warn everyone. See Destiny as a prime example and EA. Nintendo is looking out for parents and kids not 22 year olds who have no responsibility so they can blow there money on anything. As a parent of two kids I appreciate that maybe someday you will too

Lol yes Nintendo cares about everyone and has their best interest in heart.

Lord have mercy...

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Carl



"Say what you want about Americans but we understand Capitalism.You buy yourself a product and you Get What You Pay For."  

- Max Payne 3

potato_hamster on 24 April 2015
DolPhanTendo said:
potato_hamster said:
DolPhanTendo said:


Let me agree with you on your last paragraph because you are 100 percent accurate on that. If you do not see worth in game,like me with FPS, than there is no need to waste money on it that is your opinion and should be respected.

Your first argument is absolute wrong though,DLC is DLC, here is why. DLC is only reasonable for games like CoD, Battlefield, MarioKart, Smash, etc. Games with online multiplayer to keep gameplay fresh, I get that. However; buying a fucking 60 dollar game to find out you need a special DLC pack to properly finish the game is horseshit and greed based idea and you know it. This is why AAA third parties should not have control making video games or more and more of this shady shit will happen. So just because Nintendo says this now everyone who has problem with Nintendo now thinks it is okay to pay 60 dollar game that is unfinished? I do not see how blind hate can make people think being screwed is okay


". So just because Nintendo says this now everyone who has problem with Nintendo now thinks it is okay to pay 60 dollar game that is unfinished?" What? I never said anything like this ever.

You're taking some leaps here based on flawed logic. I never said all DLC is acceptable. And, you're acting like the DLC you're describing (which is atrocious and dispicable) is common. It simply isn't. Games where you need to buy DLC to properly finish the game can be counted on one hand.

So because literally a handful of games have done such DLC garbage, all third parties should not have control over the games they make? What?

Well that is what Sakurai is talking about you either missed his point or didn't read his story. Him and Iwata have been stating this a lot the past six months. 

That is probably the reason third party support has been minimal at best for the WiiU because third parties are starting to go this way and NINTENDO is trying to warn everyone. See Destiny as a prime example and EA. Nintendo is looking out for parents and kids not 22 year olds who have no responsibility so they can blow there money on anything. As a parent of two kids I appreciate that maybe someday you will too

I think if my eyes rolled back any further my retinas would detatch. Are you for real?

So because I disagree with you, I can't be a parent, or have responsibilites? Have you considered the possibility that I am older than you, and do in fact have children of my own? I have no idea whether or not  I am older than you, but I do have a family of my own. So there's that. I "blow my money" on things like a mortgage, RRSPs, car payments, and taking care of my family, and all of those other non-responsibilities I have, but thanks for playing.

Nintendo is looking out for the best interests of children by not offering Day-one DLC, or special DLC to finish the game properly (that is, until they do such things or allow other publsihers to do such things on their platforms, right?) Give me a break. Nintendo doesn't care about you and your family any more or less than Sony or Microsoft does.



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Lonely_Dolphin on 24 April 2015

It's not good to generalize Sakurai, for not all DLC is bad!



The_Yoda on 24 April 2015
potato_hamster said:
DolPhanTendo said:
potato_hamster said:
DolPhanTendo said:


Let me agree with you on your last paragraph because you are 100 percent accurate on that. If you do not see worth in game,like me with FPS, than there is no need to waste money on it that is your opinion and should be respected.

Your first argument is absolute wrong though,DLC is DLC, here is why. DLC is only reasonable for games like CoD, Battlefield, MarioKart, Smash, etc. Games with online multiplayer to keep gameplay fresh, I get that. However; buying a fucking 60 dollar game to find out you need a special DLC pack to properly finish the game is horseshit and greed based idea and you know it. This is why AAA third parties should not have control making video games or more and more of this shady shit will happen. So just because Nintendo says this now everyone who has problem with Nintendo now thinks it is okay to pay 60 dollar game that is unfinished? I do not see how blind hate can make people think being screwed is okay


". So just because Nintendo says this now everyone who has problem with Nintendo now thinks it is okay to pay 60 dollar game that is unfinished?" What? I never said anything like this ever.

You're taking some leaps here based on flawed logic. I never said all DLC is acceptable. And, you're acting like the DLC you're describing (which is atrocious and dispicable) is common. It simply isn't. Games where you need to buy DLC to properly finish the game can be counted on one hand.

So because literally a handful of games have done such DLC garbage, all third parties should not have control over the games they make? What?

Well that is what Sakurai is talking about you either missed his point or didn't read his story. Him and Iwata have been stating this a lot the past six months. 

That is probably the reason third party support has been minimal at best for the WiiU because third parties are starting to go this way and NINTENDO is trying to warn everyone. See Destiny as a prime example and EA. Nintendo is looking out for parents and kids not 22 year olds who have no responsibility so they can blow there money on anything. As a parent of two kids I appreciate that maybe someday you will too

I think if my eyes rolled back any further my retinas would detatch. Are you for real?

So because I disagree with you, I can't be a parent, or have responsibilites? Have you considered the possibility that I am older than you, and do in fact have children of my own? I have no idea whether or not  I am older than you, but I do have a family of my own. So there's that. I "blow my money" on things like a mortgage, RRSPs, car payments, and taking care of my family, and all of those other non-responsibilities I have, but thanks for playing.

Nintendo is looking out for the best interests of children by not offering Day-one DLC, or special DLC to finish the game properly (that is, until they do such things or allow other publsihers to do such things on their platforms, right?) Give me a break. Nintendo doesn't care about you and your family any more or less than Sony or Microsoft does.

Maybe I'm wrong but Nintendo does seem to care about families more so than the other companies.  I'm not saying they aren't out to make a buck, they certainty are. Many of their decisions seem to revolve around making things acceptable for all ages. I think that is why they produce mostly E rated games.  I am kind of on the fence about this, part of me want's to say piss-off put party chat in your game and let me decide if i will allow my children to use it.  The other part of me thinks well good for them for trying to put decency in front of profits.



gabzjmm23 on 24 April 2015

i'm okay with the DLC as long as the content is worth the price. and those Day 1 DLC is really absurd.



generic-user-1 on 24 April 2015
alternine said:
DolPhanTendo said:

Well that is what Sakurai is talking about you either missed his point or didn't read his story. Him and Iwata have been stating this a lot the past six months. 

That is probably the reason third party support has been minimal at best for the WiiU because third parties are starting to go this way and NINTENDO is trying to warn everyone. See Destiny as a prime example and EA. Nintendo is looking out for parents and kids not 22 year olds who have no responsibility so they can blow there money on anything. As a parent of two kids I appreciate that maybe someday you will too

Lol yes Nintendo cares about everyone and has their best interest in heart.

Lord have mercy...

-quote tree snip-

Carl

they dont care about a quick buck, but they still care about money, they just plan for decades to come. if they fuck over costumers today, those costumers will not buy a nintendo console for their kids in 20 years.  its a different way of doing buisness.



Livewire on 24 April 2015

dlc is here to stay, he has to get used to it