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OdinHades said:

Sorry for the long quote, I'm on my iPhone.

and as far as I know, Nintendo are indeed the only ones doing this in gaming. I don't care about Music or Movies, That's another story. That's just copying stuff, it's not interactive. But with games, you can create totally new stuff. I mean, just look at Minecraft for crying out loud!

I even heard of publishers who give Youtubers money or free games for Lets Plays, at least Paradox did so. So unless I'm missing completely something, Nintendo is all alone on this. Oh, and about the law: should we just accept anything that is Within the law without criticising it? What about shitty DLC, Pay 2 Win or Day 1 DLC? It's the publishers Right to do stuff like that, it's perfectly legal. So why are people complaining?


You're wrong there as Sega, SE, Atlus and so on still flag videos, I know because many of my videos have been flagged by them, ironically Nintendo the company allowing an avenue for people is the only one getting flack for it. Like it or not an IP owner reatains all rights to it, outside of Minecraft the aren't really any games dependent on YT.

Like I mentioned earlier it's not anything to do with consumers or such that's just a misdirected reason being thrown out as an excuse why they're unhappy, it's money and the sonner they admit it and people realize this the better as the likes of AJ and his fellow mob know that Nintendo games will get a lot of hits. Unfortunately for them they may not like the policy but for someone with a much smaller channel it's an opportunity which is why so many people have signed up and if the likes of AJ won't do Nintendo games then that's the main competition out the way already.



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Yes it is Nintendo's right to do whatever the heck they choose to do with their IPs, just like it is EA rights to fill their games with microtransactions/online passes and MS's rights to use DRM on their consoles. But if they do choose to do this, then it is our right to rightfully critisize them for making dumb choices just as people did in the case of EA/MS making them change their policies. Nintendo is by no means exempt from making dumb choices either as is the case with this policy.



 

OdinHades said:
Dusk said:

Omfg! 

It is their damn right to be greedy. Along with any other game maker/publisher. Nintendo is NOT the onlly ones doing this, they are however giving an avenue for people that regularly make Nintendo oriented videos to continue to do what they are doing while making it mutually beneficial. 

It is the right of any IP holder or artist to do what they want wwith their work. Some artists will try to use youtube to get their name out there, usually under their own control especially now days, and others will stop usage outside of their own posts. 

Almost every big publisher has instated rules and regulations regarding youtube or is in the process of doing so. 

Youtubers have been allowed for a long time to benefit off other people's work and in some cases become millionairs due to this practice. If it were my IP or art I would want the same. Manny of these youtubers would have little to no content, and viewers/followers, without the IP's from many of these big companies. 

Almost any music,video or game related content will be flagged if they do not have the rights to use it as iit iis not theirs. 

Read the warnings on videos or music or games about usage policies about copying, distribution in full or part. It's an unacceptable practice. 



Sorry for the long quote, I'm on my iPhone.

and as far as I know, Nintendo are indeed the only ones doing this in gaming. I don't care about Music or Movies, That's another story. That's just copying stuff, it's not interactive. But with games, you can create totally new stuff. I mean, just look at Minecraft for crying out loud!

I even heard of publishers who give Youtubers money or free games for Lets Plays, at least Paradox did so. So unless I'm missing completely something, Nintendo is all alone on this. Oh, and about the law: should we just accept anything that is Within the law without criticising it? What about shitty DLC, Pay 2 Win or Day 1 DLC? It's the publishers Right to do stuff like that, it's perfectly legal. So why are people complaining?

They are the only ones with thiis exact policy. They are far from the only company to be clamping down on youtube the the like. MS, Capcom, Activision and many others all have policies in place, some are far worse than Nintendo's. Oddly enough, with MS policies, siince AJ has covered so much of their stuff, any video where there content is covered, if they see something they like, they can take it as their own. Whether it's an idea, a new persona that they come up with or whatever. They have full legal rights to take it and give him nothing in return, he has already got his by making money by use oof their IP in his video.

As I said, each has their own take on it. With Minecraft, you can create whatever you want, but the IP still belongs to MS. So if someone were to create a user created world in minecraft and MS likes it, they could take it, disallow distribution of that level from that person that created it and release it as a paid expansion without anything extra going to the actual creator lol. It would be well within their rights for it. Just because someone might be ignorant to the policies at hand, does not mean they don't apply to that person. With the Paradox thing, that's their perogative on it. If they feel that can benefit from it they will likely utilize that till they feel it isn't of use anymore.

Laws are laws. You can have fun appealing them in a court, but beyond that there isn't much you can do. Perhaps try to change them, but since these are distribution, publication and intellectual property laws they aren't likely to budge much. Youtube has been nearly and anarchistic society up till recently. It's far from surprising that policies are being made and mandated. Again, as far as this law is concerned, I am more than happy to abide by it. Without these laws directly, if you or I were to create something on our own and someone stole it and profited from it, we would pretty much be out of luck. 

I didn't mean to come off so harsh in my prior post, I'm just so sick of all this bitching when people don't seem to have any grasp of what this is all about. AJ himself doesn't seem to. He could easily try taking this stuff to his lawyers and they would have to inform him that Nintendo, in this case, are well within their rights as the owners.





Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

I gotta agree as well. Nintendo is being a dick but they have a right to be said dick and honestly, AJ had to have known. His rant on Nintendo did make a ton more views though.



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

Who is Angry Joe anyway? Never heard of him before all this controversy.

Well.. maybe he was just in need of wider attention.

For players/consumers like me, it doesn´t change anything



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It was a move for profit. Angry Joe knew what was going to happen but he knew he would get tons of views from his rant against Nintendo. Plus it let him off the hook for making Nintendo videos and somehow paints him as a antihero among his viewers. Probably was the smartest thing he has done. He has gotten press he wouldn't have received otherwise.



ihatefatkatz said:
Like I said in the previous thread. Both sides (nintendo and angry joe) look petty, pathetic and greedy.

And to those saying this is anti-consumer, how the fuck is nintendo's youtube policy affecting the consumers? In what way does this affect those who purchase product. Please explain to me. It affect no one but those who make money on youtube and nintendo. If you said anti-youtubers then "yes", but anti-consumers? gtfo


i regularly watch gameplay on youtube of some of the games i play for various reasons

 

most recently when the gta online heist update was released i watched youtube videos to see which of the new vehicles i should try to get for myself and that's just one example of how its useful

 

to claim that because you do not personally see the value in having this option means therefore that no one can possibly see the value in this is silly



o_O.Q said:
ihatefatkatz said:
Like I said in the previous thread. Both sides (nintendo and angry joe) look petty, pathetic and greedy.

And to those saying this is anti-consumer, how the fuck is nintendo's youtube policy affecting the consumers? In what way does this affect those who purchase product. Please explain to me. It affect no one but those who make money on youtube and nintendo. If you said anti-youtubers then "yes", but anti-consumers? gtfo


i regularly watch gameplay on youtube of some of the games i play for various reasons

 

most recently when the gta online heist update was released i watched youtube videos to see which of the new vehicles i should try to get for myself and that's just one example of how its useful

 

to claim that because you do not personally see the value in having this option means therefore that no one can possibly see the value in this is silly

Stop acting like there isn't plenty of Nintendo related stuff on youtube.



o_O.Q said:
ihatefatkatz said:
Like I said in the previous thread. Both sides (nintendo and angry joe) look petty, pathetic and greedy.

And to those saying this is anti-consumer, how the fuck is nintendo's youtube policy affecting the consumers? In what way does this affect those who purchase product. Please explain to me. It affect no one but those who make money on youtube and nintendo. If you said anti-youtubers then "yes", but anti-consumers? gtfo


i regularly watch gameplay on youtube of some of the games i play for various reasons

 

most recently when the gta online heist update was released i watched youtube videos to see which of the new vehicles i should try to get for myself and that's just one example of how its useful

 

to claim that because you do not personally see the value in having this option means therefore that no one can possibly see the value in this is silly

But there´s a lot of channels that makes Nintendo let´s plays and all kind of stuff. Is not like there´s nothing Nintendo related on youtube. There´s tons of stuff every hour! I watch a lot of Nintendo gameplays on youtube!



Nintendo's policies are dumb. I don't know why they don't agree to what I see as free advertisement. But Angry Joe knew very well that he's not allowed to upload Nintendo videos if he isn't in Nintendo's Creators Program.

So, he uploaded a Nintendo video on Youtube, Nintendo removed the content, and, Angry Joe made a video about this. He's looking for more visits, and, I think that's what he wanted when he upload Nintendo content first.

It's not about gaming, it's not about pleasing his fans who buys him a WiiU to see Nintendo content, it's all about money. And that's why I can't take his opinion seriously, even if he has some valid points.