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shikamaru317 said:
Kerotan said:

It was more than just bad PR. That was a product of their terribly anti consumer policies.  

Eh, I'm not so sure about that. The original Xbox One vision was basically Steam in console form. Valve managed to sell Steam through good PR, Microsoft botched it with bad PR. 


It was actually both. Forcing DRM on the console audience is bad form. Just like Xbox Live was ignored by PC gamers Microsoft was about to have the Xbox One ignored for forcing DRM on them. Funny enough they werent even going to tell them out. It actually leaked from a website and because Microsoft went so far with it people kept asking Sony if they would do the same. Sony had to keep dodging media bullets because of Microsoft until E3 2013.



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Kerotan said:
FloatingWaffles said:

If this is the case, then that means that the PS4 would be the last Playstation console as well considering Sony's push for streaming services and games.


Sony are no doubt heading that way and are already ahead of Microsoft with ps now.  The problem with your post is that Sony are on track to sell over 100m PS4'S and Microsoft will do well to even sell half the number of PS4s meaning a PS5 would likely be very profitable and worth doing.  


Also dude, no offense but the Xbox will sell more than 1/2. Its done 11.5 million in just over a year. It'll probably hit 70 million. And there's no guarentee the PS5 will be a smash winner like PS4. PS3 faultered, and PS could faulter again... 



super6646 said:
Nuvendil said:

I think this is quite possible. There have always been a lot of people in MS who disliked the Xbox product line because the brand, as a whole over its lifetime, has never been profitable, despite instances of profit at different points. One major force behind the persistence of Xbox I think was the vision originally put forward by Bill Gates of the smart, fully connected home with a hub acting as the nerve center. I think Xbox was meant to head in that direction, becoming a hub rather than just a gaming device. But with those elements of Xbox One failing to impress and more and more multimedia features being absorbed into smart TVs, I think MS is about ready to give up on the hub notion. With those two points in mind, there may be a sentiment in the upper echelon that staying in the hardware business serves no practical purpose. A lot of people wave off the losses Xbone is causing with the reasoning that MS is wealthy and can absorb the losses so it's not a big deal. The truth is the opposite: MS is wealthy and stable today because throughout their history they have considered sustained losses in departments a very big deal. I think we just may be at a tipping point for the bosses at MS where Xbox is concerned.

Bad move. It'd make Sony a monopoly in the gaming market (Nintendo has pretty much lost it as least for now). The real reason Microsoft came into the market was to crush Sony. It came close last gen, but now its just a running buddy. And at this point there's no point in selling off or spinning off the Xbox division. Sure they'd make a bit more $$$ here and there, but that only really matters to investors, and to consumers its kinda a backstab. Anyway so no I don't think Microsoft will leave the market for a LONG time!

Who do you think runs MS?  Investors, shareholders, people with a vested interest in the company's wellbeing as a business venture.  And MS didn't enter the console market to crush Sony, please.  They entered it because they believed there was some long term profitibility for them as a company.  But if the Xbox One continues to make losses upon losses, the people with the money and power in the company are going to be less inclined to believe in that long term vision.

And as for consumers, the Xbox console line represents only a fraction of consumers MS caters to.  And most of those consumers would still do business with MS.  Windows, Word and the other Office software, and so on are not going to suddenly be replaced by Linux and the like because they "betrayed" their gaming audience.  The reality is that there's no point in *keeping* the Xbox product line.  Sure, they'll keep the brand on PC and other platforms as a means of PR, but the product line serves no purpose from a business sense.  And that's what MS is, a business, with far more concerns than "winning" a console war that is costing them money. 

And I don't think they'll sell off the product line or brand.  I doubt many companies would want it unless it came with Halo, Gears, Forza, their associated studios, and so on.  The brand, without those, has no value to anyone. 

On a final note, I believe that the potential death of the Xbox product line in no way indicates the death of full blown dedicated gaming hardware.  There will always be a demographic who wants to own their product, fully and completely, without being tethered to some service; who want a wall of segregation between their gaming and other aspects of their technological lives.  If anything, I think consoles will tend towards a more specialized approach in the next gen or two, with the devices being more focused on gaming and slowly shedding a number of their peripheral functions that are being absorbed into smart devices and smart tvs.  It will never be as simplistic as the GameCube I don't think, but it will streamline down to something targeted at that audience specifically.  This is similar to how paper books sales have stabalized and even resurged:  there's a demographic who wants that physical media, segregated from other parts of their lives.  Consumer desires drive the market, and so long as a large audience desires them, consoles are here to stay. 



You guys are thinking too complicated with the streaming thing.
Nvidia shield is as powerful or more so than current gen...or its advertised as such.
That means the games will be mostly downloaded and rendered by the console, not the cloud.
You can still do a digital only console a number of ways.
For example, thumb drives, portable hard drives brought to a retailer...regular download. Games on SanDisk memory cards etc.

It really wouldn't be that hard.



super6646 said:
Kerotan said:


Sony are no doubt heading that way and are already ahead of Microsoft with ps now.  The problem with your post is that Sony are on track to sell over 100m PS4'S and Microsoft will do well to even sell half the number of PS4s meaning a PS5 would likely be very profitable and worth doing.  


Also dude, no offense but the Xbox will sell more than 1/2. Its done 11.5 million in just over a year. It'll probably hit 70 million. And there's no guarentee the PS5 will be a smash winner like PS4. PS3 faultered, and PS could faulter again... 


The ps4 currently outsells the xbox by a good bit more than 2:1. I believe they will double them.  



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super6646 said:
Nuvendil said:

I think this is quite possible. There have always been a lot of people in MS who disliked the Xbox product line because the brand, as a whole over its lifetime, has never been profitable, despite instances of profit at different points. One major force behind the persistence of Xbox I think was the vision originally put forward by Bill Gates of the smart, fully connected home with a hub acting as the nerve center. I think Xbox was meant to head in that direction, becoming a hub rather than just a gaming device. But with those elements of Xbox One failing to impress and more and more multimedia features being absorbed into smart TVs, I think MS is about ready to give up on the hub notion. With those two points in mind, there may be a sentiment in the upper echelon that staying in the hardware business serves no practical purpose. A lot of people wave off the losses Xbone is causing with the reasoning that MS is wealthy and can absorb the losses so it's not a big deal. The truth is the opposite: MS is wealthy and stable today because throughout their history they have considered sustained losses in departments a very big deal. I think we just may be at a tipping point for the bosses at MS where Xbox is concerned.

Bad move. It'd make Sony a monopoly in the gaming market (Nintendo has pretty much lost it as least for now). The real reason Microsoft came into the market was to crush Sony. It came close last gen, but now its just a running buddy. And at this point there's no point in selling off or spinning off the Xbox division. Sure they'd make a bit more $$$ here and there, but that only really matters to investors, and to consumers its kinda a backstab. Anyway so no I don't think Microsoft will leave the market for a LONG time!


Microsoft didn't come close to crushing sony.  They came close to beating them narrowly.  



i think consoles era is near ending.
the hardware gaming companies will make only the controller and all processing will be there.



theprof00 said:
You guys are thinking too complicated with the streaming thing.
Nvidia shield is as powerful or more so than current gen...or its advertised as such.
That means the games will be mostly downloaded and rendered by the console, not the cloud.
You can still do a digital only console a number of ways.
For example, thumb drives, portable hard drives brought to a retailer...regular download. Games on SanDisk memory cards etc.

It really wouldn't be that hard.

Except the Nvidias grid sole purpose is cloud based rendering. Nvidia Shield hardware for gaming purposes is basically Wii-U 1.2 and not in the same ballpark as the PS4 or XBO. Now factor android overhead/developer optimization and we are probably back to Wii-U maybe even 360 level performance.



Protendo said:
theprof00 said:
You guys are thinking too complicated with the streaming thing.
Nvidia shield is as powerful or more so than current gen...or its advertised as such.
That means the games will be mostly downloaded and rendered by the console, not the cloud.
You can still do a digital only console a number of ways.
For example, thumb drives, portable hard drives brought to a retailer...regular download. Games on SanDisk memory cards etc.

It really wouldn't be that hard.

Except the Nvidias grid sole purpose is cloud based rendering. Nvidia Shield hardware for gaming purposes is basically Wii-U 1.2 and not in the same ballpark as the PS4 or XBO.

apologies, I meant the steam machines.

Minimum build requirements do not include a disc drive. Valve is working on a software called steam-link which can stream from pc to the machine. Can be digital only, process client-side, and stream from the computer. And valve supports sharing.



theprof00 said:
Protendo said:

Except the Nvidias grid sole purpose is cloud based rendering. Nvidia Shield hardware for gaming purposes is basically Wii-U 1.2 and not in the same ballpark as the PS4 or XBO.

apologies, I meant the steambox.


NP. That depends on the model. If you spend 2K you will smoke current gen. If you spend $500 you were better off with a current gen, as similar hardware but games aren't nearly as optimized. I like my souped up PCs, so Steambox isn't for me.