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bananaking21 said:
i dont really understand whats so bad if some games look at films for inspiration. i dont see anybody complaining that game of thrones was a book first. does that make it a shitty series? what about godzilla? it was a cartoon. harry potter, lord of the rings, hunger games?

whats the problem with some games looking at other forms of media for inspiration? i dont really understand. i dont see people complaining about the walking dead games, which are inspired bv the TV series, which were originally comics.

why are people so hell bent to prevent games from taking inspiration from movies is beyond me. we already have all sorts of games coming out and taking different directions, if some games want to have production values and a similar feel to movies, i dont see the problem.

Because recent high profile cinematic games are getting poor reviews because of bad design in general. If these games were rockinbg 9/10s there wouldn't be any fuss.
Cinematic games done right (the last of us, metal gear, the walking dead) tend to blow competition out of the water. When the next the Last of Us or BioShock type game comes out (looking like the order or shadow fall) minds will be blown and cinematic won't be taboo.



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bananaking21 said:
i dont really understand whats so bad if some games look at films for inspiration. i dont see anybody complaining that game of thrones was a book first. does that make it a shitty series? what about godzilla? it was a cartoon. harry potter, lord of the rings, hunger games?

whats the problem with some games looking at other forms of media for inspiration? i dont really understand. i dont see people complaining about the walking dead games, which are inspired bv the TV series, which were originally comics.

why are people so hell bent to prevent games from taking inspiration from movies is beyond me. we already have all sorts of games coming out and taking different directions, if some games want to have production values and a similar feel to movies, i dont see the problem.

The difference in those is that they are adaptions of existing stories in a new medium. What he has an issue with is how the games are being portrayed, using film tactics, when other mediums don't do this.

Imagine if in the Harry Potter film, a large part was just a wall of text explaining some of the plot points, you are taking the way the story is portrayed in the writen book and converting it into film and claiming you were inspired by it.

The narrative isn't being told in the medium it should be. Playing a game, you expect much of the narrative to be told as a game, you play through the game, learning new things as you go. Some games the entire plot could be told through cutscenes alone and the gameplay is just filler between.

Yet I agree with you that games can take inspiration from films but not as excuses it seems to why your game doesn't meet the requirement for being a game.



Hmm, pie.

Jim Sterlig is just a brilliant youtuber.



bananaking21 said:
i dont really understand whats so bad if some games look at films for inspiration. i dont see anybody complaining that game of thrones was a book first. does that make it a shitty series? what about godzilla? it was a cartoon. harry potter, lord of the rings, hunger games?

whats the problem with some games looking at other forms of media for inspiration? i dont really understand. i dont see people complaining about the walking dead games, which are inspired bv the TV series, which were originally comics.

why are people so hell bent to prevent games from taking inspiration from movies is beyond me. we already have all sorts of games coming out and taking different directions, if some games want to have production values and a similar feel to movies, i dont see the problem.

Taking inspiration from something isn't the same as imitating something. Games shouldn't try to be movies. You don't see movies trying to be books or something like that. What you wanna do is take your inspiration, or source material if you're making a direct adaptation of something, and think about the best possible way you can translate that into your medium of choice. So if a developer watches a movie and thinks to himself "wow that was awesome, I wonder if I could turn some of those ideas into a game?" That's totally fine. But whatever he makes shouldn't be structured like a movie, just like a movie isn't structured like a book, and a book isn't structured like a comic, etc.....

 



Goodnightmoon said:
Jim Sterlig is just a brilliant youtuber.

Critic. Don't lump him in the with hoi polloi.



Hmm, pie.

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The Fury said:
Goodnightmoon said:
Jim Sterlig is just a brilliant youtuber.

Critic. Don't lump him in the with hoi polloi.

Ok, a brilliant critic on youtube then :P



Goodnightmoon said:

Ok, a brilliant critic on youtube then :P

Thank you, :)

God, If I hear one more bro gamer youtuber say "Hey, What's up guys." at the start of their videos... talk about no imagination.



Hmm, pie.

bananaking21 said:
i dont really understand whats so bad if some games look at films for inspiration. i dont see anybody complaining that game of thrones was a book first. does that make it a shitty series? what about godzilla? it was a cartoon. harry potter, lord of the rings, hunger games?

whats the problem with some games looking at other forms of media for inspiration? i dont really understand. i dont see people complaining about the walking dead games, which are inspired bv the TV series, which were originally comics.

why are people so hell bent to prevent games from taking inspiration from movies is beyond me. we already have all sorts of games coming out and taking different directions, if some games want to have production values and a similar feel to movies, i dont see the problem.


Can't speak for everyone but my own objection stems from the fact that this is fast becoming the norm in the industry and the chase for expensive "cinematic" feel has impacted game design, writing, character development and even gameplay in a negative way in many cases. Modern games are mostly about packaging rather than content and that's a huge problem for me.

I find that especially people my age (30+) are troubled over this since we've seen the gradual changes in game design and the shift in priority towards shine and gloss and "impressive" Hollywood style elements. I usually apply this analogy; Michael Bay makes entertaining movies and enjoy quite a few of them, I appreciate that there are directors like him but I would never wish his way of filmmaking to become the norm, that would be detrimental to the entire movie industry and ultimately smear all movies into a dull beige smudge somewhere on the middle on a venn diagram.

The above is basically what is happening to the gaming industry, in my opinion, and in quite a few others' as well. I am truly worried and I feel that I every right to be. For those who enjoy this modern style, I say good on them, but I don't think anyone should scoff at the lack of joy others may find in this.



bananaking21 said:

why are people so hell bent to prevent games from taking inspiration from movies is beyond me. we already have all sorts of games coming out and taking different directions, if some games want to have production values and a similar feel to movies, i dont see the problem.

I don't think you understand the problem. There is nothing wrong with taking inspiration in other media. But it is wrong to counter critic of shortcomings of your game with references to 'cinematic'. That doesn't make the game in question better. That's the problem here, developers tried to use cinematic as a buzzword to deflect criticism.



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SubiyaCryolite said:
bananaking21 said:
i dont really understand whats so bad if some games look at films for inspiration. i dont see anybody complaining that game of thrones was a book first. does that make it a shitty series? what about godzilla? it was a cartoon. harry potter, lord of the rings, hunger games?

whats the problem with some games looking at other forms of media for inspiration? i dont really understand. i dont see people complaining about the walking dead games, which are inspired bv the TV series, which were originally comics.

why are people so hell bent to prevent games from taking inspiration from movies is beyond me. we already have all sorts of games coming out and taking different directions, if some games want to have production values and a similar feel to movies, i dont see the problem.

Because recent high profile cinematic games are getting poor reviews because of bad design in general. If these games were rockinbg 9/10s there wouldn't be any fuss.
Cinematic games done right (the last of us, metal gear, the walking dead) tend to blow competition out of the water. When the next the Last of Us or BioShock type game comes out (looking like the order or shadow fall) minds will be blown and cinematic won't be taboo.

Exactly. The only problem here is that cinematic was used as a poor excuse for bad games.



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