... I think you are being a little harsh on me ;P you quoted me 3 times & answered you 2 times. The first quote you made was a subject I had already adressed in another post so I didn't want to repeat myself :)

To end this topic, I don't care what gamers label their consoles, they can say it's a flux capacitor for all I care, I just think it's important to be precise with language & call things by their name. This thread just showed how some gamers are insecure about their hobby & insecure in general regarding the perception other persons have of them playing games.

My gaming (the games I play, the devices I use) is not a status thing, I do it for me & enjoy it with my friends!

Take care ;)

I wish it was in Finnish because as I explained we have entirely different words for playing with toys and playing games. "Leikkiä" refers to toys, a game of tag etc. "Pelata" refers to video games, board games and sports, but I forgot to mention that we have a third verb "Soittaa" which refers to either playing an instrument or playing a song for example from Youtube.

Leikkiä = Toys, game of tag and hide & seek etc.

Pelata = Board games, Video games, and sports

Soittaa = Instruments and other devices that play music.

And yet you can't say that hide & seek is a toy. Same way you can "play with your food" / "Leikkiä ruuallasi." Yet your food doesn't transform into a toy, unless they made a new transformers line-up "Foodbots". ;P

But so are movies.

I think i wasn't clear on my post, when i mentioned basketball and cardgames as toys i was referencing to the physical object not the game itself. Basketball(sport) and hide-and-seek are both games, but basketball involves an object which it's main purpose is to play games (yeah gameS, in my country we play several games with a basketball(object) not only basketball(sport)).

I know that "a product designed to play games as its main function" isn't the definition that is on wikipedia about "toy", but i think it suits better.

Well, about finnish... I think this vocabulary is very detailed, because a word in portuguese can have various meanings in my country

For all intents are purposes yes, it's a toy, or a more apt name would be a luxury item. I consider PC's to be more tools, since they can play games, but have a litany of other fairly vital uses for day to day activities (work, personal research etc...). But yeah, toy would be a proper classification.

The difference between consoles and movies is that consoles you're interacting with (toy), and movies are for viewing. Movies are no more toys than watching a football game (although a football is a toy).

Well in English there are "game" and "toy", and in Italian "giocattolo"=toy always, while "gioco"=game almost always, but sometimes also toy and in some cases also sports, mainly team ones and ball ones ("gioco del calcio"="calcio"=football, "gioco del tennis"="tennis"=tennis, but we DON'T say "gioco dello sci", but just "sci"=skiing).
We could add that you can use a toy in its simplest function, like making a toy car run, but you can also use a toy to play a more complex game, for example that same toy car can become an element of a more complex fictional world. A game can be palyed with toys, tools, instruments, other objects (like, for example, chess and many board games, but also the original, real world, Capture the Flag, not the videogame one) or just nothing, like hide & seek.
We could consider a console a general-purpose toy, mainly used to play games, but secondarily used for other things too (since 5th gen, IIRC).
I guess a few people (mostly young male adults) are uncomfortable with calling a console a toy because they don't want to admit they play with toys, but others are because a console is a toy so general-purpose that they feel it's reductive to call it just a toy.

It plays games. Games are toys.  Teenagers might not like it being called a toy but most other people probably don't care.

This. A toy can be used in a game (a football is a toy; the sport called football is a game). A game can be used in a toy (a Playstation 4 is a toy; Bloodborne is a game).