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binary solo said:
With the way PS4 seems to be able to stay marginally ahead of Xb one in the USA at $50 higher price, when the free extras are more or less comparable (though the extra controller for Xb one is better than a 3rd game). I wonder if Sony might just go with a $50 price cut this year to see what happens.

I have no doubt MS has realised Xb one needs to be $50 cheaper than PS4 in order to stay competitive and have a chance at pulling ahead of PS4 in the USA, which means MS is prepared to race Sony to the bottom on price. I don't think Sony feels like having to compete with a $250 Xb one until at least late in 2016. And if Sony drops PS4 to $299 this year that is exactly where MS will go. Even if Sony can afford to go to $299, going to only $349 allows Sony to put a great deal of value into bundles, and it means Sony can go to $299 for Black Friday and Cyber Monday (as long as they can supply the market.

And speaking of supplying the market, at $299 Sony may not be able to meet demand, especially if that pricing adjustment is applied globally. All will be revealed, IMO, in April when Sony gives FY 2015/16 shipment projections. If they are predicting substantial YoY growth then a $100 price cut is likely. If the growth is expected to be modest, or flat, then we will be seeing a $50 price cut.

IMHO if Sony can break even or make a slight profit on the hardware, they will drop the PS4's price to $299.

The PS2, IIRC got a $100 price drop ($299 -> $199) less than 2 years after its release.   I have a feeling Sony will be agressive with the PS4, regardless of what MS does.

MS can affort to sell the XBO for $149 and eat the losses, if they so desire. It doesn't mean they'll be dumb enough to do it.

I have a feeling the XBO might be sold at a small loss or break even, whereas Sony is making a nice profit on each PS4 sold. I expect both systems to have internal revisions, but no "slim" or redesign version for either this Fall. The casing will likely be the same, however, if one of them will go ahead and do a slim version this fall, I expect it to be MS.

This fall I expect

  • $299 PS4, 500GB SKU
  • $399 PS4, 1TB SKU with a bundled game, maybe with camera as well
  • $299 XBO, 500GB SKU (MS will have firesales with bundled games and temp drop prices to $249)
  • $399 XBO with Kinect and game
Expecting slight profit or breaking even on the cheaper SKU and decent profit on the expensive SKU. Of course, there will be more bundles and other stuff, maybe a PS4/Morpheus or PS4/VIta or PS4/Morpheus/Vita bundle? No idea. Plus your usual BFs and Cyber Mondays deal. However, like you said, we'll know Sony's intention for sure with their FY forecast, especially since they still need to drop the PS3's price as well.


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NewGuy said:
binary solo said:
With the way PS4 seems to be able to stay marginally ahead of Xb one in the USA at $50 higher price, when the free extras are more or less comparable (though the extra controller for Xb one is better than a 3rd game). I wonder if Sony might just go with a $50 price cut this year to see what happens.

I have no doubt MS has realised Xb one needs to be $50 cheaper than PS4 in order to stay competitive and have a chance at pulling ahead of PS4 in the USA, which means MS is prepared to race Sony to the bottom on price. I don't think Sony feels like having to compete with a $250 Xb one until at least late in 2016. And if Sony drops PS4 to $299 this year that is exactly where MS will go. Even if Sony can afford to go to $299, going to only $349 allows Sony to put a great deal of value into bundles, and it means Sony can go to $299 for Black Friday and Cyber Monday (as long as they can supply the market.

And speaking of supplying the market, at $299 Sony may not be able to meet demand, especially if that pricing adjustment is applied globally. All will be revealed, IMO, in April when Sony gives FY 2015/16 shipment projections. If they are predicting substantial YoY growth then a $100 price cut is likely. If the growth is expected to be modest, or flat, then we will be seeing a $50 price cut.

IMHO if Sony can break even or make a slight profit on the hardware, they will drop the PS4's price to $299.

The PS2, IIRC got a $100 price drop ($299 -> $199) less than 2 years after its release.   I have a feeling Sony will be agressive with the PS4, regardless of what MS does.

MS can affort to sell the XBO for $149 and eat the losses, if they so desire. It doesn't mean they'll be dumb enough to do it.

I have a feeling the XBO might be sold at a small loss or break even, whereas Sony is making a nice profit on each PS4 sold. I expect both systems to have internal revisions, but no "slim" or redesign version for either this Fall. The casing will likely be the same, however, if one of them will go ahead and do a slim version this fall, I expect it to be MS.

This fall I expect

 

  • $299 PS4, 500GB SKU
  • $399 PS4, 1TB SKU with a bundled game, maybe with camera as well
  • $299 XBO, 500GB SKU (MS will have firesales with bundled games and temp drop prices to $249)
  • $399 XBO with Kinect and game
Expecting slight profit or breaking even on the cheaper SKU and decent profit on the expensive SKU. Of course, there will be more bundles and other stuff, maybe a PS4/Morpheus or PS4/VIta or PS4/Morpheus/Vita bundle? No idea. Plus your usual BFs and Cyber Mondays deal. However, like you said, we'll know Sony's intention for sure with their FY forecast, especially since they still need to drop the PS3's price as well.

 


I don't see Sony doing multiple skus ever again 

 

Too confusing 



thedawghousev2 said:
Nuvendil said:
And the Wii U continues to climb. I wonder if we'll see it enter the top 50 in the coming days? It's close. And Mario Party 10 climbing higher as well, now in the top 70. Xenoblade holding on and trying to stay in the top 100. Will it make it all the way to launch? Going to be interesting.


i think if the wii u gets a $100 price cut it's sales will (obviously) skyrocket, and it will sell a lot more than a lot of us are expecting.

 

i literally just stated the obvious but i really want the wii u to sell better.

Shoot, a $50 one would probably cause quite a big increase.  I think the Wii U is kinda stuck in the "last straw" area with a lot of people, where people are kinda teetering on the edge but not quite convinced.  If the price falls by a significant ammount right now, it could push a good number of people over the edge.  The Wii U has a lot of positivity with its exclusives.  So yeah, a significant price cut - $50 to $100 - would draw in some serious sales.  Probably a lot of people would be interested in it as a suplementary device to their PC/Xbone/PS4.



PS4 and Type Zero beasting :)



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And boom, Wii U top 50 (49), Kirby back to 52, Xenoblade back in the top 80 and Mario Party 10 at 72. Could Mario Party be a system seller? Or could the negativity surrounding a lot of these recent games that have been the focus of ad campaigns for Xbone and PS4 (Assassin's Creed Unity, Evolve, The Order, etc) be benefiting Nintendo in some way, perhaps by contrast (Wii U's output has been consistent for a while now in quality)? I don't know, but this is nice to see.

Also Smash back in the top 20 and Zelda still beasting. 



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Aura7541 said

- Final Fantasy Type-0 (PS4) is #19. X1 version leagues behind at #325.

Jeez. How are they comparing on the montythly in February? (Can't find that topic atm.)



Hiku said:
Aura7541 said

- Final Fantasy Type-0 (PS4) is #19. X1 version leagues behind at #325.

Jeez. How are they comparing on the montythly in February? (Can't find that topic atm.)

PS4 FF Type-0 was #55 for February: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015-02/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_videogames_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3#3

And yes, preorders were higher than sales from both versions of Evolve.



Aura7541 said:
Hiku said:
Aura7541 said

- Final Fantasy Type-0 (PS4) is #19. X1 version leagues behind at #325.

Jeez. How are they comparing on the montythly in February? (Can't find that topic atm.)

PS4 FF Type-0 was #55 for February: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015-02/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_videogames_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3#3

And yes, preorders were higher than sales from both versions of Evolve.

And I don't see the XBO version in the Top 100. Any idea where it was in Feb? I can't seem to check beyond top 100.



arcane_chaos said:
Aura7541 said:

Tagged. On the software side of things:

Majora's Mask beasting at #9.
- Final Fantasy Type-0 (PS4) is #19. X1 version leagues behind at #325.
- Dragon Ball Xenoverse (PS4) at #26. X1 version is #136.
- Bloodborne Collector's Edition is #50. Regular Bloodborne is #51.
- Kirby & The Rainbow Curse is #57
- The Order (1886) has fallen to #78


DAMN!!! I knew the PS4 version would lead but not like this!!!

This is how lopsided JRPGS normally are.



Hiku said:
Aura7541 said:

PS4 FF Type-0 was #55 for February: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015-02/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_videogames_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3#3

And yes, preorders were higher than sales from both versions of Evolve.

And I don't see the XBO version in the Top 100. Any idea where it was in Feb? I can't seem to check beyond top 100.

Unfortunately, the monthly rankings only do the Top 100. However, I do vividly remember the X1 version always being in the 300s. It has finally gotten into the 200s.