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walsufnir said:
Aeolus451 said:


Yes, "we" need don't anymore paywalls. An experiment is not required to determine if it's bad or whether it is "needed". EA showed their intentions with EA Access by locking access temporaly behind a paywall or service. It wouldn't take much for them to do that with DLC to get more people to buy into that their service is worth it. They will only do things like that more with their other games. Of course, I'm not gonna change my opinion because of a paragraph and a few sentences.  Sony chose not to have a bad service on "their" console when their console is dominating the market. Fair well, EA access. Good riddance.


Again: Why not let the market decide?

Because people for the most part are short sighted. :D Don't believe me? How do bad presidents/leaders get elected? EA would just do just enough to enhance the percieved value in the service and the rest would be history.

It don't take much to convince people that something is a good idea but it takes everything to convince people something is a bad idea. Just bring enough immediate benefits to something and people will buy into it for the most part. Sony wisely denied the service. 

Besides, the service is on other platforms, so your experiment is already live and it's proving the naysayers right on EA access, already. "We" will get to see how it plays out in the "long run" on a isolated platform(s). 



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Aeolus451 said:

It's not so much about the immediate percieved value you get from EA access now but about how it affects you later down the line. EA has a really bad reputation and they're already confirming some gamers' fears about how they would use their service. Locking content or access to their games behind a paywall/service. If that is successful, more publishers and developers will use a service like EA's to lock content behind. PS Now hasn't been used like that because sony doesn't make the vast majority of content or own it. Also, sony is the proverbial gamer friendly company. 

I don't know about you but I rather just be able to buy the exact games I want to play, maybe buy dlc for whatever one and just play it. That's just me but I can understand if someone wants to rent, stream or subscribe for games for the value. That's why more centralized services are better for gamers that want something like that. They don't own the vast majority of content or games and therefore can't control any content beyond what they are licensed for.

Well the entire industry has been putting content behind paywalls. 3rd parties generally do it in the form of DLC. I'd argue its been successful because we see plenty of it. We also see content being locked on certain platforms because a 1st party threw money at them. Something the gamer friendly Sony has done on numerous occasions.

1st parties have paywalls called PS Plus and Xbox Live Gold. People actually believed Sony would never charge for online play, but PS Plus from the get go was a stepping stone to doing that and I predicted it years before PS4 launched.

Centralized services can potentially be more expensive and don't give much options. Hence, with PS Plus and XBLG you get whatever games they choose. Also, you can miss out on "free games" because you weren't a subscriber at the time or forgot to download a game when it was available. There is no backlog downloads for games you missed on those services.

PS Now has a lot of games from various publishers. But the library won't appeal to most gamers and very expensive to have it annually.

With EA Access you know exactly what games you'll have access to for $30 a year. Any paywalls you're concerned about will probably be done through PS+/XBLG and DLC.

Lastly, what other publishers would/could create a service like EA Access? Most publishers don't create enough games to do something like it. The only other companies that could potentially do it are Ubisoft, 2K, and MAYBE Capcom down the road if they put out a lot of content this gen. Activision wouldn't because their library beyond CoD is mostly shit.



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Aeolus451 said:
walsufnir said:


Again: Why not let the market decide?

Because people for the most part are short sighted. :D Don't believe me? How do bad presidents/leaders get elected? EA would just do just enough to enhance the percieved value in the service and the rest would be history.

It don't take much to convince people that something is a good idea but it takes everything to convince people something is a bad idea. Just bring enough immediate benefits to something and people will buy into it for the most part. Sony wisely denied the service. 

Besides, the service is on other platforms, so your experiment is already live and it's proving the naysayers right on EA access, already. "We" will get to see how it plays out in the "long run" on a isolated platform(s). 


So you think you have a better vision than other people and fear that their decisions could influence your gaming environment? Also keep in mind that you can quit EA Access quite easily.



Aeolus451 said:
walsufnir said:


Again: Why not let the market decide?

Because people for the most part are short sighted. :D Don't believe me? How do bad presidents/leaders get elected? EA would just do just enough to enhance the percieved value in the service and the rest would be history.

It don't take much to convince people that something is a good idea but it takes everything to convince people something is a bad idea. Just bring enough immediate benefits to something and people will buy into it for the most part. Sony wisely denied the service. 

Besides, the service is on other platforms, so your experiment is already live and it's proving the naysayers right on EA access, already. "We" will get to see how it plays out in the "long run" on a isolated platform(s). 

These are weak arguments.

1. You're comparing paying for entertainment to electiing politicians. There is zero logic in that thought.

2. Sony rejected EA Access becaue they just want to push their subscription services. PS Plus and PS Now. Sony should have rejected PS Now because that's is a terrible value for the average gamer.

3. How are the naysayers proven right about EA Accesss? Early trials were something EA promised from the start with their service. That's something Sony rejected for their users.



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walsufnir said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because people for the most part are short sighted. :D Don't believe me? How do bad presidents/leaders get elected? EA would just do just enough to enhance the percieved value in the service and the rest would be history.

It don't take much to convince people that something is a good idea but it takes everything to convince people something is a bad idea. Just bring enough immediate benefits to something and people will buy into it for the most part. Sony wisely denied the service. 

Besides, the service is on other platforms, so your experiment is already live and it's proving the naysayers right on EA access, already. "We" will get to see how it plays out in the "long run" on a isolated platform(s). 


So you think you have a better vision than other people and fear that their decisions could influence your gaming environment? Also keep in mind that you can quit EA Access quite easily.

It sounds like he thinks Sony has a better vision. Hence, Sony rejected for EA Access and therefore he must defend it.

I remember not that long ago Sony fans were opposed to paying for online play. "You're entitled to free online play when you buy the game!" But now that online play requires PS Plus, paying for online play isn't such a bad thing.

Hence, some people will change their tune once Sony has given their approval.



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walsufnir said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because people for the most part are short sighted. :D Don't believe me? How do bad presidents/leaders get elected? EA would just do just enough to enhance the percieved value in the service and the rest would be history.

It don't take much to convince people that something is a good idea but it takes everything to convince people something is a bad idea. Just bring enough immediate benefits to something and people will buy into it for the most part. Sony wisely denied the service. 

Besides, the service is on other platforms, so your experiment is already live and it's proving the naysayers right on EA access, already. "We" will get to see how it plays out in the "long run" on a isolated platform(s). 


So you think you have a better vision than other people and fear that their decisions could influence your gaming environment? Also keep in mind that you can quit EA Access quite easily.

I don't feel repeating myself.  I would end up rewording it. So just pick some part of what said as my answer to those questions. Let's see what happens with EA access in the markets it is in now and then we can pick this right back up. 



Aeolus451 said:
walsufnir said:


So you think you have a better vision than other people and fear that their decisions could influence your gaming environment? Also keep in mind that you can quit EA Access quite easily.

I don't feel repeating myself.  I would end up rewording it. So just pick some part of what said as my answer to those questions. Let's see what happens with EA access in the markets it is in now and then we can pick this right back up. 


For the lack of a better conversation, yes, let us wait. But I still think having more options and letting consumers actually decide what they want and what not should be up to them and not to anyone different, be it a company or guys on forums.



Aeolus451 said:
walsufnir said:


So you think you have a better vision than other people and fear that their decisions could influence your gaming environment? Also keep in mind that you can quit EA Access quite easily.

I don't feel repeating myself.  I would end up rewording it. So just pick some part of what said as my answer to those questions. Let's see what happens with EA access in the markets it is in now and then we can pick this right back up. 

What's happening at the moment is Battlefield fans on PS4 are angry at EA for not having early access. In reality, they should be angry at Sony.

Meanwhile on Xbox, those who want early access are paying for EA Access. Those who don't care aren't affected and not obliged to pay for EA Access.

I think Sony will eventually allow EA Access. Because Sony fans aren't gonna be happy if X1 users get to play Battlefield 5, Mass Effect, Star Wars: Battlefront, and other EA titles early year after year.



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People overreact to the dumbest shit. Maybe if there was cross-play between platforms I could understand people being annoyed, due to other people having a head start with exp and unlocks, but this is not the case. They can still play the game on the day that they already had expected to.



celador said:
People overreact to the dumbest shit. Maybe if there was cross-play between platforms I could understand people being annoyed, due to other people having a head start with exp and unlocks, but this is not the case. They can still play the game on the day that they already had expected to.


Exactly. Absolutely nothing changes for potential customers of EA games if they are not part of EA Access.