it's very relevant.  If it doesn't take nearly as much time then it doesn't cost as much.  Those savings in development should be passed on to consumers.  You're obviously not buying the right SP games if you only get 12 hours out of them.  Sure I'll only get 12 hours out of the order at first.  But if it's good (looks like a game I'll like) then it's worth replaying countless times.  It's like re-visiting a classic film over and over vs. watching a new episode of a daytime TV show every day.  There's room for both but one is more quantity where you always get new stuff while the other is more quality as every corner is a part of a masterwork.  There's room for both surely but I usually get more out of SP games hours wise than MP because I revisit them annually especially cinematic ones like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, The Order, and Batman

You are just being paranoid. I am not following you from thread to thread. I am simply voicing displeasure with a horrible practice Evolve's developers have implemented of removing content from the main game to sell it separately. It is just your misfortune that you're the only one that hapoens to be supporting this crappy practice around here, so it makes it seem like it is personal. It is not.

As far as the games I listed, all of them were able to be completed without extra payments, and did not have parts of the game or story removed. All the DLCs were completely separate from the base game itself.

Just to illustrate why I hate Evolve and similar incomplete games, to this date I find the worst culprit of all - Assassin's Creed 2. That game had two chapters removed from the middle of the game, to sell them separately at a later time. You play the game, finish Chapter 11, and then it skips you to chapter 14. And you have to pay for chapters 12 and 13 extra. That is hideous.

I find Evolve in the same basket. Half a game for $60...

exact opposite.  Don't know where you're getting that from look at how many people are contantly on MP games.  They're playing something while many skip over SP and the industry continues to move away from it.  You have no appreciation of every filmic element that goes into a great SP along with difficulty curve, AI, and variation to keep the player into it from start to finish.  Not to mention balance is in SP it's just not a balance of players it's a balance of player vs. AI.

Well, paranoia is associated with fear or anxiety about bad things happening, and that couldn't be further from the truth here. There's nothing to fear about your little pot shots, I think it's hilarious. This is the 3rd or 4th thread you've poked your head out of to fire them, and now as you can see here, your battle is even starting to bleed over into other threads not even relating to Evolve. You can claim it's not directed towards me all you want, yet you continue to quote me and uh.. you know, direct it at me. But again, it's cool. I think your issues are funny. You keep posting them, I'll keep enjoying my game.

The games you listed are mostly full of the same stuff you complain about with Evolve. The fact that you even listed Watch Dogs tells me you either don't really know anything about most of the games you listed, or you are just shooting the shit here. I think the second one, you don't strike me as someone out of the loop as far as those other games are concerned. But you know what? Enjoy all those other games. If you wanna buy Dying Light's season pass, go ahead. And I hope you got one of the first run copies that has the Be the Zombie MP mode included for free. And I hope you preordered for the exclusive weapons. And if you did, I hope you did so early, since earlier preorders resulted in more bonuses. And I hope it was at Gamestop so you got the exclusive weapon pack. Of course, that preorder exclusive weapon pack will also be available in one of the upcoming season pass DLC packs, so if you missed your chance to grab those weapons by preordering, it's only $20 for the season pass.

I could go on and on with Dying Light, and 7 of those other games on your list, but I don't need to. As with others, you're against these practices in some areas but are more than willing to turn a blind eye if its a game that appeals to you.

I on the other hand do not. I have avoided buying both Forza games this gen even though I know they are awesome games, because of day one DLC bullshit. I haven't bought a single Ubi game for the same reasons (with my own money anyway, I did let my son buy Watch Dogs with some of that free Gamestop Allard Spacebux they were handing out last year). Among others.

But you're welcome to disagree. Doesn't make it factual. Hope that helps, and last I will say on the subject in this thread. Remember, game only needs to sell about 1.5 mil apparently.

Please link us to factual analysis of developing a title like Evolve versus a SP game? Surely there must be tons of studies on this, you speak about it so factually. You don't seem to be taking into consideration ongoing server costs for online games, either. And you're downplaying the time it takes to design MP content versus SP. Most importantly balance of maps and characters/abilities.

Or maybe TR just drew up Lazarus on a piece of paper and put him right into the game, idk.

Its pretty much this. Evolve is a DLC plataform, wich wouldnt be a problem if it was a free to play game with payed DLCs and whatnots, but asking for a full retail price on top of having to buy 2/3rds of the game as DLC is just outrageous. Im glad gamers arent suporting this crap. The idea for the game itself is nice and fresh, too bad its pricing model is just super retarded.

Well, now you're just being silly. I just finished Dying Light. I paid $60, played for 35 hours, and when I finished I completed 100% of the game. Never had I the need to pay extra because they cut out content, all the missions and side quests were there. All the zombies were there as well, no need to buy a $15 zombie to have a complete lineup of characters.

To end it all, this to everyone's pleasure being my last post on Evolve's DLC extravaganza, I surely hope that this half a game does not sell 1.5 million copies, and that it fails miserably as it deserves.

My faith in the gaming community has been restored.  Hopefully the npd shows poor results.  I don't want games like this to become the Norm. 

Actually they probably should have cut out a little more content and sell the game for $30. With online multiplayer games like this it's usually better to make the game as accessable as possible to draw people in, and people who want can spend more on DLC later.

sure I have a link for all my sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

see my earlier post about why it doesn't take as much I'm not repeating myself