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Zekkyou said:
melbye said:
The big question is why is there mercury in vaccines? I never really understood that

Mercury (specifically the mercury based preservative thiomersal) was used to stop the growth of bacteria and fungi within vaccines. When your body breaks down thiomersal it forms ethylmercury, which is then also broken down and pushed out of your blood relatively quickly. This is all pretty much harmless.

A lot of the fear people had towards thiomersal was from not knowing the different between ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and methylmercury (CH3Hg+). The former is what broke down from the vaccine, the latter can be very toxic. Even then though, methylmercury is safe enough in small quantities. You can find it in fish.

Interestingly enough though, despite the FDA having not licensed the use of thiomersal in a children's vaccine (under 6) since 2001 (with exception to influenza), there has been so observable change in the number of children diagnose with autism ^^


Didn't some companies take it out anyway because of the publicity the misinformation was getting and this going to the single dose vaccines that cost more? 



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Teeqoz said:
curl-6 said:
Also, Measles killed 145,700 people in 2013 alone, or about 400 per day.

That is, however, a 75% decrease from 2000... thanks to, you guessed it, vaccination.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

 

That's how many children per thousand are diagnosed with autism. As you can see, there's a more than 200% increase since 2000. Now I don't know why that is, but it has to be something.


It is simply because the definition of autism has been continually expanding. In the past century, an autism diagnosis was rarely issued, as there were both a reluctance to use such label as well as a shortage of professionals qualified to give such diagnosis. More often than not, autistic children were categorized in many different mental disability categories.

As more knowledge was obtained, better diagnostic tools developed, more children now fit into that very broad category of autism, which encompasses people from highly functioning, independent individuals to those that require 24/7 attention for all their needs.



Vaccination doesn't require mandates.

Just ensure that everybody is well-educated, and say "okay you have the right to not vaccinate your child, but not doing so prevents your child from entering public education". Private schools will also have the right to reject non-vaccinated kids.

If said parents still choose to not vaccinate and home school, once the child is old enough to make their own decisions, they should be well within the right to elect to have vaccinations. There's no age limit on vaccinations, as far as I'm aware?

EDIT: Personally, when it comes to my children. They will have all the recommended vaccinations, but I would like the say over the speed and frequency at which they occur. Having several in a short period of time doesn't sit right with me, and I would prefer to spread them out a little.



Something right out of the report on the $57billion by 2019

"Growth of this market is driven by factors such as increasing government support for vaccine development, rising company investments for vaccine research, and high prevalence of diseases".

Not to forget that is the global total of money spent on the industry not profits made by the industry. Compare that to big pharmaceutical's profits if you want to see what greed really looks like. They make money for drugs treating people long term not cures and tend to treat symptoms much more than the causes of those symptoms.



padib said:

The measles has existed for generations. People would make sure their children had it early because it can be fatal in adults.

To address this: Yes, surely as we evolved from apes, nobody had vaccines. But guess what: people died more often. People in the stone age lived around 30-40 years. As we started to live in cities and produce crops, the life expüectancy even shortened. More people lived together and were was more trading so the chance for epedemics were increased. But these days the life expectancy in modern societies is over 70 years. One among many reasons is, that vaccination reduces by far the risk of epedemics, that kill thousands of people in short timeframes.



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Teeqoz said:
curl-6 said:
Also, Measles killed 145,700 people in 2013 alone, or about 400 per day.

That is, however, a 75% decrease from 2000... thanks to, you guessed it, vaccination.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/


That's how many children per thousand are diagnosed with autism. As you can see, there's a more than 200% increase since 2000. Now I don't know why that is, but it has to be something.

You may want to check how the diagnosis of autism has changed over the years.

Plus, as with anything like this, link?



padib said:
DanneSandin said:
Vaccine is not harmful nor does it cause autism. Autism is a neurological and you are thus either WITH it or NOT, it's nothing you simply "pick up" along the way. I know that because I've worked with people with autism/aspberger. Do not spread around stupid ideas about vaccine padib!

My nephew is autistic. I love him. It won't stop me from debating an important issue to me.


Pardon me, but maybe its time you read up on his "condition" then, because its VERY plain that autism is a neurological "disorder" that can NOT be caused by outside factors. Autism/ADD/whatever is something you acquire even BEFORE you are born. It might not show until youre actually qiuite mature by outside factors, but youve carried the "condition" with you ever since birth, even if it didnt show.

Vaccine is one of THE best things human beings have EVER invented. It is a great thing and should more or less be mandatory imo.



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Burek said:
I am happy I live in a country where vaccination is mandatory, keeping my children safe from deadly diseases while they interact with hundreds of other kids on a daily basis in kindergarten and school.
You cannot enrol your child in either of those institutions without vaccination, and the refusal to vaccinate carries a substantial monetary fine at first, followed by removing kids away from negligent parents should the refusal continue.

However, as I live in a very popular tourist town frequented by millions of tourists (and hundreds of thousands of Americans) every year, it really is of great concern to know that there are people who would willingly choose to endanger others, akin to yelling Fire! in a crowded theater.

 While I'm disappointed in knowing my community had the worst rates on immunisation in the state even before(and still might) it was 84% of school children who were fully up to date in vaccinations. While quite a bit below the 95% that is recommended. It should give you an idea that by far most Americans do get there kids vaccinated.

On the positive note all this publicity has gotten the number of personal belief exceptions in the school district where I live to drop by almost half so now there are only 28 out of 1563 students not vaccinated instead of 54. Hopefully that number it's similar across my county and state and the personal exceptions continue to drop.



SamuelRSmith said:

Vaccination doesn't require mandates.

Just ensure that everybody is well-educated, and say "okay you have the right to not vaccinate your child, but not doing so prevents your child from entering public education". Private schools will also have the right to reject non-vaccinated kids.

If said parents still choose to not vaccinate and home school, once the child is old enough to make their own decisions, they should be well within the right to elect to have vaccinations. There's no age limit on vaccinations, as far as I'm aware?

EDIT: Personally, when it comes to my children. They will have all the recommended vaccinations, but I would like the say over the speed and frequency at which they occur. Having several in a short period of time doesn't sit right with me, and I would prefer to spread them out a little.

The problem with that though is that banning them from schools isn't enough, you would need to ban them from shops,  doctors surgery's, churches, any place that people congregate. Which is impossible, that a why herd immunity is so important. I have a 8 month old son, he is too young to have the MMR vaccine, so he is fully reliant on herd immunity. Its a public health issue, people aren't just affecting themselves when they choice not to vaccinate, they threaten us all. Anti-vaxxers have this mentality that if you extended to driving would entitle them to drive however they like because it would only affect them. We have compulsory road laws and training BECAUSE peoples actions can affect everyone, and it's the same with vaccinations. It should be compulsory, pure and simple.



czecherychestnut said:

The problem with that though is that banning them from schools isn't enough, you would need to ban them from shops,  doctors surgery's, churches, any place that people congregate. Which is impossible, that a why herd immunity is so important. I have a 8 month old son, he is too young to have the MMR vaccine, so he is fully reliant on herd immunity. Its a public health issue, people aren't just affecting themselves when they choice not to vaccinate, they threaten us all. Anti-vaxxers have this mentality that if you extended to driving would entitle them to drive however they like because it would only affect them. We have compulsory road laws and training BECAUSE peoples actions can affect everyone, and it's the same with vaccinations. It should be compulsory, pure and simple.

No, it's up to property owners to decide whether they want to ban in their establishment, and how they wish to enforce said bans. That's not impossible. You can then choose which establishments you bring your 8 month old baby into.

Your mentality IS extended to driving. People have to follow certain rules to be allowed onto roads, and private property owners can set their own rules for driving on their property. It works fairly well. My suggestion is exactly the same principle: if you want to enter a space, it's up to the property owner to decide what rules you abide by, and it's up to them to decide how to enforce that rule.