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theprof00 said:
Jclock
youtube is the network and they already take that profit.
Should a garden owner take profits from a youtube video i made wherein i enjoyed the garden?
Ghost hunter shows used hotels and inns for a majority of their content.
these places LOVED when they would come by and "lets play" them.
They have drummers up so much interest for these types of places.

Should these places get a share of advertising revenue?


Uh no, 

Youtube is a platform, and not a network.

Maker, Polaris, Nintendo Creators Program, Machinama, etc are all networks.

You do NOT own the content you are sharing if it's video games or movies. You own a licenses to view/play it. Your example is complete bullshit and just dumb. You are dealing with content owners not garden variety garden lovers.

Ghost Hunters has a ton of legal paperwork that they have to go through in order to use those places. Usually these places get a ton of publicity for those things. Therefore, creates income

 I really don't understand the rest of what you said. But if you are sharing someone elses copyrighted work without expressed permission from that person, then they deserve the ad revenue and you do not. If the copyright holder has given you a set guideline for using their content then you will not break that

Under fair use, reviews, commentaries and covers are allowed and Nintendo cant do crap all about them. 



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DonFerrari said:
Shinobi-san said:
It should'nt even be legal for Nintendo or any other publisher to claim profits from lets plays. The gamer has already purchased the game and the publisher has already received the money for the game sale.


Why shouldn't be legal for the IP owner to retain control from it's IP??? He bought a license to play no to profit on it.


Nintendo still has full control over their IP. A game is not like a movie or a song...the primary enjoyment received from a game is through playing it not watching it. So i dont see how this infringes on their IP.

Something key to note here is that people dont simply watch any random lets play video, the game and the IP is pretty much irrelevant in most cases, moreso in pewdiepie's case. These guys are famous for their personalities, humour, commentary etc.

Other youtubers are popular because of speed runs, being the best, world records etc. Others are popuular because they aim to teach others how to play games, through tutorials and how to vids.

So yeah im struggling to see why a gaming publisher would feel entitled to the ad revenue of a video of a gamer playing their game, which they have already purchased, for reasons other than greed.

If this was a matter of principle and IP protection they would have reacted a long time ago, its only because some of these youtubers have gotten really popular that they now want a piece of the pie.

This goes for all game publishers trying to do this not just Nintendo. Clamping down on movies and music however, makes complete sense from a publisher point of view but not games.



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GamechaserBE said:
He not played many Nintendo games because he got easy flagged by them like other youtubers also have complained about. Pewdiepie is so popular that EA had to print more copies of Skate 3 because viewers wanted the game after he did some let's play....

Whoever is right is not that important though, at the end it hurts Nintendo.

+1. Its a generational issue and Nintendo just doesn't get it. Youtube publicity is a big thing.



Shinobi-san said:

1. So yeah im struggling to see why a gaming publisher would feel entitled to the ad revenue of a video of a gamer playing their game, which they have already purchased, for reasons other than greed.

2. If this was a matter of principle and IP protection they would have reacted a long time ago, its only because some of these youtubers have gotten really popular that they now want a piece of the pie.

1. They aren't demanding full compensation. There can still be IP damage, and that might be Nintendo's reasoning.  

2. They DID react a long time ago by removing videos that made profit. People disputed this, and now their new policy is to only take a share of the profits. 

If somebody makes a song and has little portions of another song in it, they usually need to credit the original song owner with royalities (unless the other owner says they can do it for free.) Or if somebody has a cartoon character in their cartoon the same is true. 

It's funny, I came into this thread disagreeing with Nintendo, and slowly I am defending them more and more. 



Conina said:
DonFerrari said:

So this guy said nothing when there was 0% profit but now is complaying when Nintendo will get 40%??? Seems quite strange.

The only strange thing is that you are just assuming that he (or other youtubers) didn't complain before.

But a quick and very easy research on your part is probably too much to ask for, especially if it destroys your argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMONj3FD7nA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltBs7AB_SlE

My argument??? That Nintendo is in the right and other companies should keep better control of their IP and perhaps other parties are getting the money they don't deserve?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Game_God said:
DonFerrari said:
How have this thread become a Nintendo hate thing???

And If Let's play is so good as advertisement, how come that there being several LP based solely in Nintendo haven't proped their sales even though their 1st party sells very good?


Because that is & always has been the source of this situation!

Kids play Nintendo, when they become teenagers, they rebel, against their parents, establishment , school whatever, Nintendo is the games they played as kids so in order to step into what they think is adulthood, teens rebel against it too to prove they are grown ups, which proves to be exactly the opposite of what they are trying to achieve:

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms.   When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -C.S. Lewis

Even gamers that didn't play Nintendo games adopt this dogma, supporting in anyway Nintendo is being kiddie, uncool whatever pejorative adjective you may use. Kids want to emancipate from their parents & what they feel represents them as children, so they follow the available teenager trend they think will give them their desired status. They agregate to X herd or Y herd & adopt the codes of said herd, i.e. the overwhelming majority of PDP followers (mostly low teen kids) or Bieber followers.

That is why this has become a Nintendo hate, thread, Nintendo is always wrong & when someone as "famous" as PDP states it, they feel "righted" & hate will reach biblical levels.

Anyway, too much importance has been given to this matter. PDP already won, since he got the free publicity he wanted for his trending down channel!

He managed to get money out Nintendo without playing Nintendo, just by jumping aboard the hate train. It's not a very different tactic from these regular bait click anti-Nintendo "articles" that op-up every other week or so!

Just my 2 cent! I'm out...


Seems like that... Ninty's thematics are more "childish" but mainly because they are family friend... I have 30 and I never felt any shame about liking Nintendo games even though I preffer Sony (and that have nothing to do about being "cool", "mature" or anything like that, just the type of gameplay I preffer).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Conina said:

The only strange thing is that you are just assuming that he (or other youtubers) didn't complain before.

But a quick and very easy research on your part is probably too much to ask for, especially if it destroys your argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMONj3FD7nA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltBs7AB_SlE

My argument??? That Nintendo is in the right and other companies should keep better control of their IP and perhaps other parties are getting the money they don't deserve?

Your other argument was that it's strange youtubers complain now but not last year.



Redgrave said:
He's only played two Nintendo games on his channel and they were both ROMs on the Project64 emulator. So basically, he's annoyed at Nintendo for not being able to make money off games he didn't buy?

Entitled Youtubers need to expire.


LOL! 



Pocky Lover Boy! 

Shinobi-san said:
DonFerrari said:


Why shouldn't be legal for the IP owner to retain control from it's IP??? He bought a license to play no to profit on it.


Nintendo still has full control over their IP. A game is not like a movie or a song...the primary enjoyment received from a game is through playing it not watching it. So i dont see how this infringes on their IP.

Something key to note here is that people dont simply watch any random lets play video, the game and the IP is pretty much irrelevant in most cases, moreso in pewdiepie's case. These guys are famous for their personalities, humour, commentary etc.

Other youtubers are popular because of speed runs, being the best, world records etc. Others are popuular because they aim to teach others how to play games, through tutorials and how to vids.

So yeah im struggling to see why a gaming publisher would feel entitled to the ad revenue of a video of a gamer playing their game, which they have already purchased, for reasons other than greed.

If this was a matter of principle and IP protection they would have reacted a long time ago, its only because some of these youtubers have gotten really popular that they now want a piece of the pie.

This goes for all game publishers trying to do this not just Nintendo. Clamping down on movies and music however, makes complete sense from a publisher point of view but not games.

So since the primary point of a game is playing and them watching the games being played wouldn't infringe the IP... should we then allow other people to make plushies, boardgames and other things based on Nintendo IPs since they don't conflict with the original purpouse of Nintys games?

Well if the game is irrelevant, them he (and others) could just do it without any game involved, let's see how that would work.

You know those people purchased the right to play not to profit from it. That is why its legal what Nintendo is doing. And speedruns or tutorials have very little to do with LP when they don't show the entirety of the game. And Nintendo isn't even forbiding anyone from doing showing it, they are asking for a share.

They wouldn't need to react if it wasn't big enough.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Conina said:
DonFerrari said:
Conina said:

The only strange thing is that you are just assuming that he (or other youtubers) didn't complain before.

But a quick and very easy research on your part is probably too much to ask for, especially if it destroys your argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMONj3FD7nA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltBs7AB_SlE

My argument??? That Nintendo is in the right and other companies should keep better control of their IP and perhaps other parties are getting the money they don't deserve?

Your other argument was that it's strange youtubers complain now but not last year.


Nope... that was a comment regarding one specific point. That this YTber is complaining now that Nintendo is more open when he didn't complain about it in the past.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."