I guess locking is the only possibility going by how much people care and are emotionally invested by this topic.

Which actually proves my original point. Not locking the thread, but when you bring up good points about Microsoft people tend to care more and get more defensive. First thing I said in this thread.

It's more a matter of difference between popularization and innovation, for popularization most of your points are correct and vitually nobody would argue against them, but for innovation it isnt right.

As i posted earlier, if you would like some actual innovations, then you are free to use these.

1) Key chain security for boot time per-console crypto decryption of low level boot environment.
2) Quick-release secondary connectors on controller cords to prevent damage when a cord is tugged from the console
3) Unified multi-device accounts system (xbox, xbox 360, xbox one)
4) Xbox 360 disk cryptology being burned to the drive rom (xbox 360)
5) Matching pair hardware (dvd drive needing the same key as the mainboards keychain to function) (xbox 360)
6) Sub level video stream encoder to overlay live data on a through-and-out hdmi stream without stripping hdmi security layer (xbox one)
7) ANA/HANA video encoder processors with 8bit depth substream upscaler (xbox 360)
8) Surge protection on AC module (xbox, and was actually implemented as a remedy to a large batch of xboxs having issues with unclean power and fluctuations in line flow)

The problem was that most of them weren't good points when several counterexamples were shown to you. We weren't being defensive, but rather corrective. It is important to give credit for the right reasons. Was Microsoft innovative? No. Did Microsoft popularize the innovations made by other companies? Yes. Is it really a bad thing that MS didn't come up with those ideas first? Definitely not.

I see downplays in this thread.

If I went up to a random person in the middle of the street, and showed them achievements/gamerscore, then showed them that weird Atari "achievement" patches, they would not think it's the same thing because it's not. Once again, it's like saying the home computer isn't innovative cause we had typewriters.

Before the Xbox 360, there was never an achievement system integral to the system. What you guys were mentioning was even a third party thing anyway!

The patches and achievments have the same goal: to reward gamers for making certain accomplishments when playing a game. Heck, the patches are actually of value while achievements are, well, just there...

The typewriter and Microsoft word have the same goal, but are you saying Word (or whatever word processor before it) wasn't innovative?

Really reaching here. Show me something substantial. Not something where you take pictures of your TV and send a letter in lol. It needs to be an integral part of the console, work for MOST games, adds to your ENTIRE total of those games, and can be shown to other people in the system./

You do know that's a pretty weak analogy and it doesn't really prove your point. The situation of the typewriter & home computer (then, you changed to MS Word... o.O) isn't as similar as that between the patches & achievements.

Okay you win, Atari 2600 did achievements first.