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Hynad on 20 January 2015
walsufnir said:
Hynad said:

So, basically, this thread is about the idea that Microsoft created the universe?



You posted in the wrong thread, obviously.


Nope. I haven't. Anything about the OP you want to share? 



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Tachikoma on 20 January 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
Aura7541 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Aura7541 said:

The "hate" on Microsoft is your imagination. I and Tachikoma were merely correcting you on the use of the term, "innovation". And as stated already, hard drives weren't feasible back at the time. However, the gist was the same: internal memory.

True or false: Microsoft Xbox was the first console to feature hard drives.

True or false: Microsoft Xbox was the first console to feature internal memory.

Or how about this: Microsoft Xbox would be the first console to feature hard drives if using hard drives as internal memory was feasible long before the Xbox existed.

As far as I know, true.

And using hard drives was feasible for saving since the mid-90s. Why didn't Sony do it with the PS2?

in the mid 90s, a 9gb hard drive cost $2259, by the early 2000 that had dropped to sub $200 for 80gb, microsoft used 10gb and 20gb drives in the original xbox, mostly provided by Maxtor, which at oem cost Microsoft, sub $50 per unit.

The price of HDDs falling in the early 2000s lead to the release of this on July 19th, 2001

The xbox released on November 15, 2001, 5 months after the PS2 HDD expansion kit.

Just sayin'



Aura7541 on 20 January 2015
fatslob-:O said:
I don't even agree with half of the things listed by the OP ...

Tell me about it.... There's a huge distinction between innovating and making something very popular.

McDonaldsGuy said:
Aura7541 said:

I don't even....

Then why is there an emulator for the X68000? It's dedicated hardware... -_-

But it's still not a console.

It's very convenient that you haven't started saying this until now when the X68000 has been brought up numerous times already...

EDIT: Nevermind, Tachi already found another counterexample.



McDonaldsGuy on 20 January 2015
Tachikoma said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Aura7541 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Aura7541 said:

The "hate" on Microsoft is your imagination. I and Tachikoma were merely correcting you on the use of the term, "innovation". And as stated already, hard drives weren't feasible back at the time. However, the gist was the same: internal memory.

True or false: Microsoft Xbox was the first console to feature hard drives.

True or false: Microsoft Xbox was the first console to feature internal memory.

Or how about this: Microsoft Xbox would be the first console to feature hard drives if using hard drives as internal memory was feasible long before the Xbox existed.

As far as I know, true.

And using hard drives was feasible for saving since the mid-90s. Why didn't Sony do it with the PS2?

in the mid 90s, a 9gb hard drive cost $2259, by the early 2000 that had dropped to sub $200 for 80gb, microsoft used 10gb and 20gb drives in the original xbox, mostly provided by Maxtor, which at oem cost Microsoft, sub $50 per unit.

The price of HDDs falling in the early 2000s lead to the release of this on July 19th, 2001

The xbox released on November 15, 2001, 5 months after the PS2 HDD expansion kit.

Just sayin'


I know about the PS2 expansion bay, but the PS2 barely cared enough about the hard drive and knew it was ALMOST worthless for the PS2. How do I know this? The Slim.

It always seems to be Sony fanboys who always bring up old, obscure, unsimilar hardware from the 80s as proof that it's not innovation. I remember when I listed Nintendo innovations a couple years ago I mentioned the analog stick and they found some weird soccer game with a kinda-analog stick. I thought that was hilarious.

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Tachikoma on 20 January 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
Tachikoma said:
Aura7541 said:

As Tachi already mentioned:

- X68000 was the first to have internal storage. Hard drives weren't a feasable option back in the day.
McDonaldsGuy said:


True or false: Microsoft Xbox was the first console to feature hard drives.

Actually, the X68000 had hard drives, the "super" version had two of them, too.

Well it isn't a console anyway.

The X68000 was marketed here in Japan as a games system, and the system that came before it, the Sharp X1 twin, as seen below, even has a card slot for hudson/pc engine games, and used a tape based hard drive, a game switch and controller ports right on the front.



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Aura7541 on 20 January 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
Tachikoma said:

in the mid 90s, a 9gb hard drive cost $2259, by the early 2000 that had dropped to sub $200 for 80gb, microsoft used 10gb and 20gb drives in the original xbox, mostly provided by Maxtor, which at oem cost Microsoft, sub $50 per unit.

The price of HDDs falling in the early 2000s lead to the release of this on July 19th, 2001

The xbox released on November 15, 2001, 5 months after the PS2 HDD expansion kit.

Just sayin'

I know about the PS2 expansion bay, but the PS2 barely cared enough about the hard drive and knew it was ALMOST worthless for the PS2. How do I know this? The Slim.

It always seems to be Sony fanboys who always bring up old, obscure, unsimilar hardware from the 80s as proof that it's not innovation. I remember when I listed Nintendo innovations a couple years ago I mentioned the analog stick and they found some weird soccer game with a kinda-analog stick. I thought that was hilarious.

So.... what you're saying is that Microsoft popularized the use of hard drives as internal storage. That we can agree on



Tachikoma on 20 January 2015
Aura7541 said:

So.... what you're saying is that Microsoft popularized the use of hard drives as internal storage. That we can agree on

I really dont get it, nobody is attacking the xbox or microsoft, its just a matter of realizing the difference between popularizing and innovating, most of his points are entirely valid for popularization, but insisting theyre also innovation is just wrong.



Aura7541 on 20 January 2015
Tachikoma said:
Aura7541 said:

So.... what you're saying is that Microsoft popularized the use of hard drives as internal storage. That we can agree on

I really dont get it, nobody is attacking the xbox or microsoft, its just a matter of realizing the difference between popularizing and innovating, most of his points are entirely valid for popularization, but insisting theyre also innovation is just wrong.

Not to mention, he brings Sony into the discussion when neither of us even mentioned the company once!

By the way, "innovation" seems to the word of the day considering that there's also a huge debate on innovation on The Order... o.O



jclock on 20 January 2015
true_fan said:

Yawn when you have to reach that hard, it's pretty sad to see.
-Who cares, atari was how old, and that means like 7 consoles skipped achievements and MSFT found a new method to bring them back, Reinvention
-Your exact words, not feasible, therefore MSFT found a way to make it feasible., Actually, around this time hard drives were starting to become cheaper to produce. There was a time when 100mb was like 2k. Microsoft was the first to have a console with a mechanical hard drive standard.  

-Yes Dreamcast had online, but MSFT created a dedicated service for console multiplayer, INNOVATION (Half truth, MS innovated the dedicated server service for game consoles, but they didn't innovate with online. Sega Net Work System was a pretty modern attempt in the 90s). 
-Halo was developed alongside MSFT, Bungie did not release the game on their own. Also Halo used MSFT's XBL service. 1st large scale multiplayer game on console. INNOVATION

You guys make this too easy.

@italics: "In 1999, Bungie announced its next product, Halo, originally intended to be a third-person shooter game for Windows and Macintosh.[22] Halo '​s public unveiling occurred at theMacworld Expo 1999 keynote address by Apple's then-interim-CEO Steve Jobs (after a closed-door screening at E3 in 1999).[22]" 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungie#Founding

To explain a year after that announcement, Microsoft bought out Bungie and Halo and made it exclusive.  

This is not innovation, this is business. Business will never be innovative. 



Tachikoma on 20 January 2015
Aura7541 said:

Not to mention, he brings Sony into the discussion when neither of us even mentioned the company once!

By the way, "innovation" seems to the word of the day considering that there's also a huge debate on innovation on The Order... o.O

The playstation connections a red herring to deflect the perceived attack when there isn't really an attack to begin with.