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With MCC very very negative reputation and Halo 5 being a COD game with Halo skins, 343 has a lot of ground to make up



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Zekkyou said:
true_fan said:

Everytime a new Halo releases it's the end of the franchise to the same people and everytime those same people are wrong. Right now Halo is the best selling exclusive on any console ACCEPT IT. The  downplay of Halo by some of you people is embarrassing.  Halo 5 is already shaping up to be one of the best in the series based of the Halo 4 campaign and Halo 5 beta.

You might want to rethink your use of the word "any" ^^

Over the last several years, what exclusive has consistently sold better than Halo. I will admit if I am wrong, but I can't think of one unless you are talking about Wii Sports or kart



I play Halo only for the single player so I don't care about online problems



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Again, it's very interesting to read this point of view that's so different from my own. Out of curiosity, why do you think story is so essential to a great video game experience?

Thats just the point...it makes the game an experience. It truly emotionally puts you in the shoes of the character and gives the gamer motivation for fulfilling a mission. It's also one of the reasons why I love RPG's. I like to have my gameplay choices and actions affect the world I am in. Also, a brand that has characters with great stories leads to greater individuality and connection for the various individuals who game on that console. Sony and Nintendo have so many, but Nintendos charm is of a different variety that doesnt necessarily have everything to do with story. The story between Chief and Cortana had never been that deep, but Halo 4 turned it up to eleven and I really wanted to help her. It tapped into my emotion and made it more frantic. I never knew the Halo universe was deep at all despite playing all the games because of the way Bungie told the story. It was because I skimmed a couple books why I found out how deep the story was. 

By the time Reach came out, I knew Bungie had hit rock bottom in storytelling. 343 would've done a better job with the pacing of that story. Good lord...I didnt give a damn about any of those characters. They all died and I just did not care.

Thanks for sharing that.

I come at games from a different angle. I look at video games like I do with all games: the fun and challenge of the game is a direct result of the set of rules and objectives for success and how the player(s) interacts with those rules and objectives. For example, a pick up game of basketball needs no story to be invigorating. The competion among skilled players and the ability to overcome physical and mental challenges is what makes it fun. Same goes for a game of Settlers of Catan or Cards Against Humanity. Enjoying the game has everything to do with developing strategies and gambits within a set framework of rules and guidelines. Story, once again, is immaterial. 

Video games, to me, are the same thing. The studio in charge of the game 1) creates levels, rules, goals, and hazards; 2) gives each player a set of tools, and 3) allows the player to improvise with those tools to achieve victory. It's here where video game greatness lies: in the interaction between the developer, who sets the rules, and the player, who interprets and bests the rules.



true_fan said:
Zekkyou said:

You might want to rethink your use of the word "any" ^^

Within the last few years, what exclusive has consistently sold better than Halo. I will admit if I a wrong, but I can't think of one unless you are talking about Wii Sports or something.

If we're talking about the 7th gen in general then Halo 3 (the highest selling entry) would be ranked 18th in exclusive sales (15th if we don't include Wii Sports/Resort and Kinect Adventures).

More recently though, Pokemon outsells Halo with relative ease. X/Y has managed 12.5m in about 14 months, and OR/AS has sold 7.11m in 6 weeks.

You did say "right now", but seeing as the last numbered release was on a 7th gen system, and MCC not being the highest selling 8th gen exclusive, your comment wouldn't make much sense unless you exclude the Wii, DS and 3DS. Hence i said you might want to rethink your use of the word "any" ^^



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fleischr said:
Fact: While Halo 5 will sell really well, it won't save the Xbox One. I wouldn't even be surprised if the X1 ends up being down YoY in 2015

It would certainly surprise me. A major home console being down YOY between its 1st and 2nd full year is very rare.



Zekkyou said:

Im pretty sure he is talking home consoles as handhelds sell very differently than console games for various reasons including a cheaper price and different market.  THough im sure youre aware of this so im not sure why you brought that up

With that said he isnt really wrong.  Halo consistently sells 8m+ with mainline games.  The other two that automatically comes to mind is Mario and Gran Turismo.  The last three mario games are below 5m at this moment (still selling)and Gran Turismo 6 is at 3m though im sure GT7 on PS4 will do better

Either way you look at it, Halo, Mario, and Gran Turismo is the three best selling franchises from the big three (home consoles) unless im missing something

@OP - THe Halo 5 beta has overwhelmingly great responses and has the ability of being the best in the franchise.  It actually does the New/old mesh surprisingly stellar.  Also the pre-orders are already doing great.

For the record, XBO doesnt need saving and im not sure how you came up with that conclusion.





       

Zekkyou said:
fleischr said:
Fact: While Halo 5 will sell really well, it won't save the Xbox One. I wouldn't even be surprised if the X1 ends up being down YoY in 2015

It would certainly surprise me. A major home console being down YOY between its 1st and 2nd full year is very rare.


When Halo comes out the Xbox will have a good year.



JayWood2010 said:

Im pretty sure he is talking home consoles as handhelds sell very differently than console games for various reasons including a cheaper price and different market.  THough im sure youre aware of this so im not sure why you brought that up

With that said he isnt really wrong.  Halo consistently sells 8m+ with mainline games.  The other two that automatically comes to mind is Mario and Gran Turismo.  The last three mario games are below 5m at this moment and Gran Turismo 6 is at 3m though im sure GT7 on PS4 will do better

Either way you look at it, Halo, Mario, and Gran Turismo is the three best selling franchises from the big three (home consoles) unless im missing something

@OP - THe Halo 5 beta has overwhelmingly great responses and has the ability of being the best in the franchise.  It actually does the New/old mesh surprisingly stellar.  Also the pre-orders are already doing great.

For the record, XBO doesnt need saving and im not sure how you came up with that conclusion.


He'd have to exclude the Wii too (so the DS, 3DS and Wii). Hence i said to him "You might want to rethink your use of the word "any" ^^".

On a side note, GT6 is heavily under-tracked here. I'd guess it's somewhere between 4 to 5 million right now (maybe 4.1/4.2?). Still a large drop from GT5, as you'd expect considering its launch conditions, but a smaller drop than VGC have it at.



OP hasn't touched the Halo 5 beta. It plays very much like Halo, very little like CoD or GOTG Titanfall. Which is unfortunate, because I have never been a big fan of Halo MP.