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platformmaster918 said:
Dusk said:

That's not what I said. You are inferring that. All I'm saying is that it seems that the sales have started slowing down, that's a hell of a lot different than peaked lol. 

Actually here in Canada (where I'm from), the prices for the PS4 are far better than the X1, but there are some good X1 bundles with multiple games, but they are usually about $50 more than a comparable PS4 bundle. 

I agree about Europe, not sure about Japan, they seem so handheld-centric. 

Sure patterns are good, grand, wonderful and all, but that doesn't mean there aren't one offs. I'm not trying to be pessemistic, the PS4 has had a great year and next will likely be good as well, I just think it won't be as high, that doesn't mean it will stop selling. 

so you're not saying it's peaked...but you just said next year won't be as high.  Are you optimistic about the 3rd year then?


It's hard to say what will happen in it's third year. Will have to wait and see how it's second goes. If you are speaking about having the highest selling portion within a certain time period, it's possible. I'm waying the likliness of how successful it has been up to this point doesn't necessarily encourage more success the next year. It might as well however. This year the PS4 has mostly sold on hype, empty promises, being known as a powerhouse system and with a good entry level price AND a price cut. This next year much of the hype will be gone, the system is DRM ridden even though they said it wasn't, it has become apparent that the system isn't nearly as powerful as they attempted to say it is, but the price is still good but there is still the pay wall. The third year I think will come down to the library that is offered.



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Turkish said:
Dusk said:
Turkish said:
Just wait when it's 299 next year... it's gonna sell even more.


What makes you think it's going to drop to 299 next year? Maybe near the end of the year to try to boost sales if it's necessary (meaning if sales slow down), but Sony can't afford to throw away too much money on consoles, their software sales haven't been as good as they were hoping. Well, the entire industries software sales have been down.


What makes you think Sony can't afford to lower the price to 299 next year? Do you seriously think consoles dont become cheaper to manufacture?

What makes you think their software sales havent been as good? Go check how many million sellers there are on the platform, and this is without the unranked digital sales which are much bigger this gen.


They are still loosing money on each console sold right now, with how well it has been selling, unless they need the boost in sales again why would they take more of a cut? Please don't assume to know what I know, I never said that consoles don't become cheaper to manufacture over time. 

Software sales have been down YOY from everything I have read, add that to the rising cost of game development and it seems like a fairly educated guess. Perhaps I should say the profits from the games though as opposed to my prior stance. I do wonder how well the digital sales are doing on the new platforms with the increasing size of the games though, 40GB can be quite a lot for many people with limited bandwidth. Likely the best case scenario is that sales YOY are roughly the same with digital sales included. 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-11-14-up-to-25-percent-of-ps4-xbox-one-game-sales-are-digital-analyst



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Dusk said:
Turkish said:
Dusk said:

What makes you think it's going to drop to 299 next year? Maybe near the end of the year to try to boost sales if it's necessary (meaning if sales slow down), but Sony can't afford to throw away too much money on consoles, their software sales haven't been as good as they were hoping. Well, the entire industries software sales have been down.


What makes you think Sony can't afford to lower the price to 299 next year? Do you seriously think consoles dont become cheaper to manufacture?

What makes you think their software sales havent been as good? Go check how many million sellers there are on the platform, and this is without the unranked digital sales which are much bigger this gen.


They are still loosing money on each console sold right now, with how well it has been selling, unless they need the boost in sales again why would they take more of a cut? Please don't assume to know what I know, I never said that consoles don't become cheaper to manufacture over time. 

Software sales have been down YOY from everything I have read, add that to the rising cost of game development and it seems like a fairly educated guess. Perhaps I should say the profits from the games though as opposed to my prior stance. I do wonder how well the digital sales are doing on the new platforms with the increasing size of the games though, 40GB can be quite a lot for many people with limited bandwidth. Likely the best case scenario is that sales YOY are roughly the same with digital sales included. 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-11-14-up-to-25-percent-of-ps4-xbox-one-game-sales-are-digital-analyst


DO a little research before downplaying and bashing... Sony already confirmed they had a little profit with each HW like 6 months ago (in launch the sale of 2 games or 1 game and PS+ already made profit) So by next year holidays 50 off will still be profitable and 100 will need some games sold to profit... And as discussed before Sony took 300 loss per console during PS3 launch, so don't base Sony willingness or capacity to pricecut on your perceived notion of loss and Sony financial situation.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

PS4s have been profitable for about a year.. there is no "loss". they can definitely drop the price whenever they feel the need to. Which IMO won't happen until late 2015 Considering the HW I wouldn't be surprised if they could do a 100 cut (US; no need for that outside). There's no Cell in there.



DonFerrari said:
Dusk said:
Turkish said:
Dusk said:

What makes you think it's going to drop to 299 next year? Maybe near the end of the year to try to boost sales if it's necessary (meaning if sales slow down), but Sony can't afford to throw away too much money on consoles, their software sales haven't been as good as they were hoping. Well, the entire industries software sales have been down.


What makes you think Sony can't afford to lower the price to 299 next year? Do you seriously think consoles dont become cheaper to manufacture?

What makes you think their software sales havent been as good? Go check how many million sellers there are on the platform, and this is without the unranked digital sales which are much bigger this gen.


They are still loosing money on each console sold right now, with how well it has been selling, unless they need the boost in sales again why would they take more of a cut? Please don't assume to know what I know, I never said that consoles don't become cheaper to manufacture over time. 

Software sales have been down YOY from everything I have read, add that to the rising cost of game development and it seems like a fairly educated guess. Perhaps I should say the profits from the games though as opposed to my prior stance. I do wonder how well the digital sales are doing on the new platforms with the increasing size of the games though, 40GB can be quite a lot for many people with limited bandwidth. Likely the best case scenario is that sales YOY are roughly the same with digital sales included. 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-11-14-up-to-25-percent-of-ps4-xbox-one-game-sales-are-digital-analyst


DO a little research before downplaying and bashing... Sony already confirmed they had a little profit with each HW like 6 months ago (in launch the sale of 2 games or 1 game and PS+ already made profit) So by next year holidays 50 off will still be profitable and 100 will need some games sold to profit... And as discussed before Sony took 300 loss per console during PS3 launch, so don't base Sony willingness or capacity to pricecut on your perceived notion of loss and Sony financial situation.


Before the price drop. That is why they were able to drop the price. It's normal business tactics dude. Sony screwed themselves on the massive losses they took with the PS3 when it was released. Sony is also in a much worse financial situation than they were at that point in time, it would not only be irresponsible for the business to take massive losses on the console, but it would also be crazy. 

I do research. Relax man. My theory is that there is a good chance it will not sell as well in 2015 as it did in 2014, you have a differing opinion. There is no longer any point in debating about this as we see things from different sides. 

I haven't been bashing btw, in fact, I have said many times that Sony has done extremely well in 2014, quite amazing really.



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Dusk said:
DonFerrari said:
Dusk said:


They are still loosing money on each console sold right now, with how well it has been selling, unless they need the boost in sales again why would they take more of a cut? Please don't assume to know what I know, I never said that consoles don't become cheaper to manufacture over time. 

Software sales have been down YOY from everything I have read, add that to the rising cost of game development and it seems like a fairly educated guess. Perhaps I should say the profits from the games though as opposed to my prior stance. I do wonder how well the digital sales are doing on the new platforms with the increasing size of the games though, 40GB can be quite a lot for many people with limited bandwidth. Likely the best case scenario is that sales YOY are roughly the same with digital sales included. 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-11-14-up-to-25-percent-of-ps4-xbox-one-game-sales-are-digital-analyst


DO a little research before downplaying and bashing... Sony already confirmed they had a little profit with each HW like 6 months ago (in launch the sale of 2 games or 1 game and PS+ already made profit) So by next year holidays 50 off will still be profitable and 100 will need some games sold to profit... And as discussed before Sony took 300 loss per console during PS3 launch, so don't base Sony willingness or capacity to pricecut on your perceived notion of loss and Sony financial situation.


Before the price drop. That is why they were able to drop the price. It's normal business tactics dude. Sony screwed themselves on the massive losses they took with the PS3 when it was released. Sony is also in a much worse financial situation than they were at that point in time, it would not only be irresponsible for the business to take massive losses on the console, but it would also be crazy. 

I do research. Relax man. My theory is that there is a good chance it will not sell as well in 2015 as it did in 2014, you have a differing opinion. There is no longer any point in debating about this as we see things from different sides. 

I haven't been bashing btw, in fact, I have said many times that Sony has done extremely well in 2014, quite amazing really.


They still got losses after some of the pricedrops, as far as I remember Sony just started profiting from PS3 on 2011 (and that isn't from HW alone) so they took the bullet every time it was necessary to make sells meet projections. And about Sony financials, at the time they were losing more than 1B a year and still done it, right now they are on the profit side (discounting the mobile right off) so the situation is a little less worse than before.

In fact after you done your good research you could look for an interview were Kaz said growing marketshare for PS4 rapidily were the priority not the profit in the first years.

Of course Sony objective isn't taking massive loss per console. But when right now Sony is already profiting on HW (when at launch they needed the sales of 2 games or 1 game and PS+ to profit) there is little to say in one more year they won't be making ps4 cheap enough to make a 50 cut with no losses or a 100 with small losses covered by 1 or 2 game sale.

So your theory isn't a theory, is just an opinion or wishfull thinking since you just say sony won't cut the price because they are poor and would lose money they can't afford (while showing no evidence for it) and that since they sold too much in 2014 they can't sell better in second year.

So if you preffer I agree in stop discussing this, if you just accept you have been making FUD with 0 facts or evidence. If you are a Sony supporter, you are one bad informed and pessimistic beyond reality.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Damn... imagine what happens when the price drops!



ryuzaki57 said:
Damn... imagine what happens when the price drops!


Well, don't enter there, haven't heard sony is so broken they can't cut the price.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

In fact after you done your good research you could look for an interview were Kaz said growing marketshare for PS4 rapidily were the priority not the profit in the first years.

 


Which makes sense, considering the rapid growth of PS+ members and its corresponding revenue. I'm sure that they'll be willing to forget HW profit next year in favor of market share growth for the purposes of increased PS+ and SW revenue.



Galahaddy said:
DonFerrari said:

In fact after you done your good research you could look for an interview were Kaz said growing marketshare for PS4 rapidily were the priority not the profit in the first years.

 


Which makes sense, considering the rapid growth of PS+ members and its corresponding revenue. I'm sure that they'll be willing to forget HW profit next year in favor of market share growth for the purposes of increased PS+ and SW revenue.


Yep... if X1 would be making 100 loss per console that is smart as well in the first year since those are the customers that would buy a lot more than 10 games and would generate more than 300 bucks profit per sale...

Cutting X360 or PS3 price right now only if they wanted to keep the console selling more (altough the numbers are still good) but never for loss at this late in their age... but in the first 2 years taking the loss isn't a problem, Sony have done it for 3 consoles already.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."