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ps4tw said:

Looking at the sales figures, the Dreamcast, a console widely seen as a failure and the downfall of Sega, sold better than the Wii U to date. As Nintendo has the cash assest to survive a failed console, where will they go from here? It seems that they do not want to adapt to the demands of the modern gamer, and their core user base is smaller than ever. This being said, will this force Nintendo's hand out of the console business just as the Dreamcast did to Sega? How can Nintendo repair the publicity damage the Wii U has done to them in the eyes of gamers? 


I love how you claim that Nintendo's 'core base' is smaller than ever, when there handhelds are still selling extremely well (at least far better than any competitor handheld in the history of video gaming has come close to)

 

Nintendo's publicity has not been killed, nor the popularity of their franchises, nor the relevance of their name. The fact is that the Wii U was marketed terribly, it confused people and no one even realized that there was a new system to buy. obviously added a simple 'U' to Wii makes people think its more of an accessory than anything else

also arguably the Wii U was released at a bad time with a terrible game lineup. System launches and the success of said launches are based on the correct timing and strategies, the Wii U was just a poorly executed combination of those things. 

 

you compare Nintendo to Sega when Sega at the time of the Dreamcast was not following up a success; they were following up a failure in the Sega Saturn. the Wii U follows a success. The Dreamcast was abandoned (well it was forced to be) in the middle of its life cycle do to Sega's financial struggles. Sega also did not have an extremely powerful and successful second part of their business (i.e. handhelds), nor did they have any real cash reserves to save themselves if the Dreamcast failed.

 

the comparison is extremely poor because besides a struggling system there is nothing in common with the 2 companies. It's amusing that you highlight the Dreamcast, that initically actually did not sell THAT poorly. it obviously later on collaspsed with the release of competitor systems but all the same. Nintendo did not sell THAT MANY units for the Gamecube and N64 but they made money. the Wii (and frankly any Gameboy iteration) proves that the NIntendo brand is virtually indestructable. as long as they are making money it is not extremely relevant if their systems have sale dominance because they will always be in a fairly comfortable position to try something new in the future

in the end the Nintendo brand is just too powerful for all of this naysayer business. They have consistently released acclaimed games and have the most powerful IP's in the entertainment industry outside of Disney. stop overreacting.



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ps4tw said:
curl-6 said:
ps4tw said:

I don't give a damn what you think I meant, I'm telling you what I meant - move on and don't stick with a strawman argument. Mario Kart 8 boosted sales for a little longer than I expected. So? The Wii U is still selling miserably, and has been outsold by the PS4 almost 2:1 and even the XBox One looks like it'll over take its sales. 

14 weeks is more than just "a little" longer than the 4 you predicted.

Do you want to bet that Wii U won't outsell Dreamcast lifetime? 

Actually it dipped back down to the 40k mark a few weeks back if you remember - either way it still hasn't even hit 10 million.

Considering my point never was that the Wii U wouldn't outsell the Dreamcast, why would I make a bet on something I don't believe? Looking up what a strawman argument is because damn son, you are being a champion at trying to drag one out. 

Its first drop below 40k post-MK8 was 14 weeks after the game's release, you predicted it would be 4 weeks. More than 3 times as long just doesn't strike me as "a little" longer.

The fact that you know Wii U will easily beat Dreamcast illustrates that your thread title is basically FUD.

The Wii U is not a Dreamcast. It will outsell Dreamcast easily, it has already outlasted Dreamcast's lifespan outside Japan, and soon it will outlast its total lifespan.

Dreamcast was simply more front loaded, as it actually had record-breaking sales in the beginning, then dropped like a rock. Wii U, on the other hand, shows no sign of going anywhere anytime soon.



Ertai said:
Wii U is turning out to be a great console with amazing titles.

It will pass Dreamcast sales this year and will be profitable to Nintendo.

No comparison since Wii U is still going to last at least 2 more years.


So you think the Wii U will also have a shorter overall lifespan than the Dreamcast? ;p



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Wii U will outsell the DC.The DC started strong but faded quickly unlike the Wii U which will actually sell more this year than last year. Not defending Wii U sales, just saying it will sell more than it.

Edit: actually as some have pointed out, it should outsell the Dream Cast by this year.. not sure where you're getting your figures from.



RolStoppable said:
Nintendo will still be alive and kicking. Despite an atrocious eighth gen showing, they've mostly eliminated Sony from the handheld space already.

Additionally, their financials are on the rise again, so it isn't even up for consideration to bow out of the home console space. And due to the unique characteristics of the video game business (new system means a reset of perception), the Wii U's failure doesn't dent Nintendo's image all that much.


lets give credit where credit is due shall we? Sony did a much better job at that than nintendo. 



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Nogamez said:
Dreamcast sold well for instance i think its tracked above ps4 in japan for dame time frame. Sega Had two.failed consolrs in a row and there handhelds wernt selling brilliantly either


This. The Dreamcast was never that much of a failure in its own right, though I can understand people may perceive it as having single-handedly forced SEGA out of the console business. Truth is SEGA needed a huge success with it to overturn failures from the past (Saturn, handhelds), and it never reached those desired heights. If the Wii U had been beaten by the Saturn- then this sudden sign of worry would be far easier to accept. Either way Nintendo would at the very least be situated a couple of generations away from abandoning their console-making aspect due to the form of events which we discuss. Almost anything could occur in that time frame.



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ps4tw said:

Looking at the sales figures, the Dreamcast, a console widely seen as a failure and the downfall of Sega, sold better than the Wii U to date. As Nintendo has the cash assest to survive a failed console, where will they go from here? It seems that they do not want to adapt to the demands of the modern gamer, and their core user base is smaller than ever. This being said, will this force Nintendo's hand out of the console business just as the Dreamcast did to Sega? How can Nintendo repair the publicity damage the Wii U has done to them in the eyes of gamers? 


Dreamcast was sold with a loss. Nintendo is making profits with the WiiU. 

By the way, with December sales WiiU will outsold Dreamcast lifetime sales easily



bananaking21 said:
RolStoppable said:
Nintendo will still be alive and kicking. Despite an atrocious eighth gen showing, they've mostly eliminated Sony from the handheld space already.

Additionally, their financials are on the rise again, so it isn't even up for consideration to bow out of the home console space. And due to the unique characteristics of the video game business (new system means a reset of perception), the Wii U's failure doesn't dent Nintendo's image all that much.


lets give credit where credit is due shall we? Sony did a much better job at that than nintendo. 


I assume you´re being sarcastic, aren´t you ? :)



Game_God said:
bowserthedog said:
Game_God said:
bowserthedog said:

Completely different consoles and completely different sales trends. It's laughable to make a thread like this when the wiiu will pass the lifetime totals of the dreamcast before the end of the year.

Majorly different consoles. Don't get me wrong I love the dreamcast. But they front loaded the console with all these great games and lost so much money that when Sony came out with the PS2 people just didn't trust Sega to have anyone follow through and people kind of decided to move on. WIth the Wiiu Nintendo started slower with software and are getting better each year which will lead to the console continuing its trend of year over year growth. The Wiiu will likely triple the dreamcast in lifetime sales and will be infintely more profitable. And will also have more exclusive great games.  A lot of the steller Dreamcast content either got ported over to ps2 or sequalized on the ps2 and other consoles.


Your avatar is so cute, do you have a dacshund?


Its a sad story :(  I had a cute little Chug named bowser who I've had since a puppy but i had to give him up because i had this crazy gf who took over my life and I couldn't spend enough time with him. I use bowserthedog as my online name but I no longer have him. I just found that pic on google but it's not the actual bowser dog i had :(

I feel so sorry for you :(

I have a little dacshund called Max... My advice to you, don't trust anyone that wants to part you with your pet! Go & get another one, I'm sure there is a dog waiting for you!


There will never be another bowser :(  Maybe one day i'll get a puppy again but right now i'm still recovering from a crazy abusive chick and well i'm not ready for a new puppy in my life yet. I just work and play video games right now and I'm actually quite loving it.