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TheBigFatJ said:
 



This is how far I had to read before I was able to determine you had no clue what you were talking about. That's efficient, right?

It's not about "well structured" code, it's about what the SPEs can and cannot do. They're not general purpose computing resources.


The SPUs are just ordinary processors (one hardware thread per SPU [2 for the PPU], but of course you can create software threads), the SPEs function as indepent systems. You can run any type of code on them like you would do on other processors. But the data needs to be well structured to get the most out of their potential and the same is true with regard to the 360's Xenon processor.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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MikeB-Almost every quote you used concerning developers are coming directly from developers that only work on PS3 software and a Sony rep. It's hard to take Insomniac and Ninja Theory seriously when they've yet to step up to the plate and make a multiplatform game at all across the two platforms. No one is going to believe a Sony rep that is obviously going to be completely biased against proper development for the 360. All of the quotes coming from multiplatform developers on the Beyond3D forums are nameless developers right? Do we even know where they work? This doesn't seem to be a very convincing argument. It's very lopsided with people that want the best out of the PS3 with little to no concern with how a 360 port would turn out.



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Blah blah blah blah....

Where are the Games? Oh, dont tell me Uncharted again, it is beautiful , I know.
Mike, you seem well informed. Why Valve DUMPED PS3???



Nth said:

gebx: Does your 360 like...give you handjobs or something at night or is your blind fanboyish pomposity just something that comes natural to you?

As for an actual contribution to the conversation: A lot of people have decided to chime in on a few areas that 1) are fucking no brainers and 2) just something they can use to keep/start a flame war going or whatever.

1) "The 360 has a more robust and diverse library!" - Well, no shit. When you've allowed developers to pump out an entire years worth of software before you competition I imagine that you'll have -more games- than your competitors. People who use this argument are awesome at the obvious.

2) "The 360 is way easier to develop for." - Well, again, no shit. I guess that since the 360 falls within the catagory of "older and more familiar" tech that it SHOULD be easier to develop for. However, thats the only real argument anyone can use when comparing the two.

3) "The PS3 has harder architecture to deal with!" - No, it just uses a type of architecture that developers don't like messing with. It's not that the devs dont know how to program using PBP it's just that they don't want to take the extra time to optimize. You can spin this however you want, but the fact of the matter is that PBP (Parallel Board Programming) is a more open ended and optimal choice than the 360's tired old ways but until developers are willing to sit down and practice their perfection (instead of shoveling out game after game of perpetual suck every 3 months) then your going to see crappy ports on the PS3. The gaming industry has to be the only ind. that actually makes excuses for developers when they complain and say "waah....my jobs too hard".

4) "360 games have way higher metacritic scores!" - Laa-dee-frickin-daa? I can't count how many times anymore how often I've seen or read reviews about certain titles only to 1) have them either suck out loud or 2) have them be absolutely awesome when everyone else said the opposite. I think that gamers today have put too much of their money in the hands of the reviewers who may or may not hold some type of agenda towards a certain console. Too be honest? Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw has a more unbiased reviewing record than all of the gaming websites combined, but I guess all those Bioshock and Halo 3 worshippers would disagree with that.

Oh, I'll take this moment to bring up a good example of biased reviewers: Lair. Yeah, it was a technical mess and it rubbed a lot of gamers the wrong way. However, when a largely respectable site such as say....oh I dont know...IGN puts a guy on the game to review it who spent most of his blog either pre-bashing the product or going on anti-SCE rants what did you expect right?

5) Your all freakin idiots. - That last quote was by me because I have quite frankly had it with the console wars and all of the constant bitching that goes back and forth. It's a giant pissing contest that I am, gladly, stepping out of now. I've said my peace and I'm sticking to my opinions and views and you can even rebuttal this to your very hearts content....not going to reply. However, if you feel the need to continue making an ass of yourself them by all means.

Oh wow, now that you've come down from on high to share your enlightenment with the rest of us I guess we can all unquestioningly accept your superior wisdom and go home.

Seriously, there's almost nothing I hate more than someone coming up to a serious debate, posting their own opinions as if they're undeniable fact while insulting and mocking all others, and then saying "debate's over, I win, not going to reply to rebuttals."  WTF is wrong with you?  If you're that insecure that you can't stand anyone questioning your godlike insight, don't even bother.

If you turned down the rhetoric on all those points, I'd probably even agree with a lot of it.  But there's no excuse for your attitude, and in particular there's no excuse for the entirety of point 5.

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Onyxmeth said:
MikeB-Almost every quote you used concerning developers are coming directly from developers that only work on PS3 software and a Sony rep.

You're mistaken, reread the post.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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Nth - "gebx: Does your 360 like...give you handjobs or something at night or is your blind fanboyish pomposity just something that comes natural to you?" Only when I talk dirty to it... and I don't think I'm too blind of a fanboy, I do acknowledge the strenghts of the PS3, that the 360 will probably not reach 2 million units in Japan in its lifetime, and that MS is struggling in Europe.



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epinefridis said:
Blah blah blah blah....

Where are the Games? Oh, dont tell me Uncharted again, it is beautiful , I know.
Mike, you seem well informed. Why Valve DUMPED PS3???

It probably takes them a lot more effort to adapt their game engine than others. Badly designed or single threaded game engines will take a complete redesign to get good results on the PS3 (on a PC you can just require your customers to buy higher specced systems without pushing your developers towards better efficiency). But PC gaming and game consoles have gone multi-core (multi-processor / multi-system with regard to the PS3), the road ahead is unavoidable.

The BeBox was one of the first Amiga-inspired PCs using multiple full processors. BeOS was a wonderful operating system which could show good results today if it wasn't dead. BeOS couldn't show its true potential on single processor PC setups. It makes sense modern operating systems will be adapted to get more out of multi-processing eventually as well, sadly apart from some OSes like BeOS and QNX this would take a huge redesign just like some legacy game engines.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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I think that both Sony and M$ need to stop taking the time to respond to stories like that one. Yes it was biased toward the PS3 and it did leave out the significant fact that the 360 has gamerscores and achievements and the PS3 doesn't. BUT, at the end of the day WHO CARES??!! Maybe M$ would have been smarter to spend the time it took to write that response to fixing RRoD? hmmm? Or maybe Sony could spend the time getting Home and In-game XMB out?
Regardless of what M$ said, the gamerscore and achievements are a moot point when Home comes out and they failed to mention the fact that the 360 has been out for a year longer than its competition (which explains why it has more games and better games).
Conclusion: all PR spins are crap. Just sift the useful information (if any) out of them and get back to playing your games. (I assume that's why you bought your console; to play games, right?)



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

Nth said:

gebx: Does your 360 like...give you handjobs or something at night or is your blind fanboyish pomposity just something that comes natural to you?


 gebx? a fanboy?! Excuse me for a minute..........

*from other room* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok, I'm good now..... 



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

Nth said:

5) Your all freakin idiots. - That last quote was by me because I have quite frankly had it with the console wars and all of the constant bitching that goes back and forth. It's a giant pissing contest that I am, gladly, stepping out of now. I've said my peace and I'm sticking to my opinions and views and you can even rebuttal this to your very hearts content....not going to reply. However, if you feel the need to continue making an ass of yourself them by all means.


 Nth, please keep things civil.  I'm absolutely fine with you having your opinion and expressing that opinion to your hearts content but please play nice or get out.