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When will the Xbone overtake the PS4 in the U.S.?

Late 2014 32 2.87%
 
1st half of 2015 51 4.57%
 
2nd half of 2015 92 8.25%
 
1st half of 2016 22 1.97%
 
2nd half of 2016 12 1.08%
 
2017 6 0.54%
 
2018 and beyond 10 0.90%
 
Never 794 71.21%
 
See results 95 8.52%
 
Total:1,114
Nicklesbe on 10 December 2014

Xb1 will beat ps4 before years end and hold lead 5ever. In other news the earth is flat.



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Dark_Feanor on 10 December 2014
Intrinsic said:

So just so I get this straight... what you are basically saying is (only talking about NA here)

 

  • The PS4 being cheaper than the XB1 is the primary reason it was outselling it for the first 10 months of this year?
  • That A cheaper XB1 will always outsell the PS4 in NA and thus ultimately close the gap and win NA for MS.
  • Hardcore gamers (some or at last those that bought the PS4) were delusional or at least had to be to think that MS was some sort of evil company cause they didn't like the policies MS was pushing?
  • That its wishful thinking to think that sony will drop the priceof the PS4 in 2015 cause they are selling so well and will rather just stay at the same price?
Well, two things I want to know though; do you work for MS? and Are you actually serious?

 

1- Yes, If I have to choose the primary reason it would be the price. What would you choose.

2- Yes, as long there is no major exclusive release in a week or so. That is what´s been happening in the last 6 weeks or so. That was the case the whole last generation. Only price and a massive bundle/exclusive change the "tide wave".

3- Some of them were, others were just trolls and console warriors doing their deads.

4- If PS4 is doing that good there is no reason to drop the price. They will drop the price if the gap closes.PS4 can´t be the best seller console of all time and need a price drop before the second year. Again the same thing happened last generation with the 360 and Wii.



Nem on 10 December 2014

Err... i'm gonna have to go with "never" for the time beeing. It got outsold all year, except for a couple of weeks. Its unlikely. The street fighter 5 annnouncement was also a bucket of cold water.



arcane_chaos on 10 December 2014
steverhcp02 said:
So much wrong with this thread and the OP assumptions. Think about this. Sony has not touched the PS4's price. In fact I believe they actually raised it at one point in Canada but I can't recall if it was a single store chain or not. So you have MSFT, in 12 months coming out with a separate SKU at $100 less entry, then cutting another $50 in a "temporary" price cut and bundling 1-2 free games on top of this. Keep in mind Sony has not yet even touched the price.

Price cuts are pendulums. The assumptions that A) Price gap will forever remain B) MSFT will be willing to bundle free games forever at $350 and C) When the PS4 has its first price drop it wont dwarf the ground MSFT gained with the aforementioned pricing strategy (hint, it will) is asinine.

It is always fascinating to me how narrow people's visions are. It is literally the last week in history, like a snapshot, with no recollection or reference to past events and then extrapolating the narrow vision forward not accounting for anything but the unsustainable best case scenario of said snapshot.

I really don't think people fully understand how significant the price of the console going from $500 to $350 with 1-2 free games, two marquee games, no less, in less than a year is and to only gain a couple hundred thousand units when your competitor did arguably NOTHING. As always, the peaks and valleys of knee jerk reactions triumph on this site. Someone save this post and lets talk in 8 months, but then again I am not sure if most will have the attention span given the recent sales discussion in light of the unprecedented and lopsided strategies of the last month.

good post



BMaker11 on 10 December 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
Intrinsic said:

So just so I get this straight... what you are basically saying is (only talking about NA here)

 

  • The PS4 being cheaper than the XB1 is the primary reason it was outselling it for the first 10 months of this year?
  • That A cheaper XB1 will always outsell the PS4 in NA and thus ultimately close the gap and win NA for MS.
  • Hardcore gamers (some or at last those that bought the PS4) were delusional or at least had to be to think that MS was some sort of evil company cause they didn't like the policies MS was pushing?
  • That its wishful thinking to think that sony will drop the priceof the PS4 in 2015 cause they are selling so well and will rather just stay at the same price?
Well, two things I want to know though; do you work for MS? and Are you actually serious?

 

1- Yes, If I have to choose the primary reason it would be the price. What would you choose.

2- Yes, as long there is no major exclusive release in a week or so. That is what´s been happening in the last 6 weeks or so. That was the case the whole last generation. Only price and a massive bundle/exclusive change the "tide wave".

3- Some of them were, others were just trolls and console warriors doing their deads.

4- If PS4 is doing that good there is no reason to drop the price. They will drop the price if the gap closes.PS4 can´t be the best seller console of all time and need a price drop before the second year. Again the same thing happened last generation with the 360 and Wii.

1 - then explain June - October, when they were both $399 and PS4 still mopped the floor with XBone

2 - We don't know the effects of it being $349, because as soon as that price launched, bundles with multiple free games + gift cards came out, resulting in the XBone not "really" being $350...then it immediately dropped to $330 for BF. Let's see what Vanilla $350 XBone does (I doubt they go back to $399). But as a side note, if being the cheaper console will always outsell the most expensive console, then Xbox and GCN should have outsold PS2

3 - You really think that DRM, having apps being a paywall, 24 hour check ins, etc. didn't put a sour taste in people's mouths regarding MSs intentions this gen? That's not being delusional. That's being an informed customer. If nobody said anything about what MSs original vision for XBone was, we'd have a piece of machinery that was very detrimental to the games' industry right now.

4 - PS2 launched at $299 in October 2000 (in the US). First price drop was May 2002 to $199. PS1 launched at $299 in September 1995 (in the US). First price drop was May 1996 to $199. PS3 launched at $499/599 in 2006 (in US and Japan) and didn't drop to $399/499 until November 2007. PS1 and PS2 dominated the console market and PS3 at least outpaced 360. Closing the gap has no impact on Sony dropping the price of a Playstation. The fact that they are a hardware company and quickly get the cost of parts reduced and then pass that on to the consumer is what has an impact on Sony dropping the price of a Playstation, whether they are ahead or behind in console sales



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bubblegamer on 10 December 2014

Never.



PotentHerbs on 10 December 2014

The pricing excuse is plausible but does not account for the gap (for MS fans anyway) when the PS4 outsells the XOne at the same price, lol.



LordLichtenstein on 10 December 2014
Intrinsic said:

Wow this thread... what I find even more shocking are the amount of people that think this is possible.

Here are a few things I would like to chime in. Whats the reason for this XB1 sales uptick? Is it generally considered the better console or is it the better deal this holiday season? Will the price drop be permanent?What happens from January onwards? I will not comment on answers to those questions and will take a wait and see approach.

But I wonder, what happens when next year around the time of Uncharted 4 the PS4 is priced at $299? Its shocking how just a month or two can suddenly make some think thats all that's required for an XB1 win. At this rate, to fight a PS4 at $299, MS would need to sell an XB1 at $220 with a free game. Thing about price wars, is that theer is a point where they don't matter anymore.   I also think a lot here haven't actually looked at the kinda year the PS4 is primed to have in 2015. If they did threads like these wouldn't exist. I also find it strange that some here don't realize that its more important for th XB1 to win on the slow months of the year (first 8-10 months) than to win in just the last 2 months of the year. Basically what MS is doing is treating an infection rather than treat the wound causing the infection.

But to answer the question, I will say Never. Come next year, the gap will start to grow again, though the XB1 will no doubt slow the rate at which that gap grows in NA while it becomes uncontrollably worse everywhere else. 


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EricFabian on 10 December 2014

my guess is: never



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Intrinsic on 10 December 2014
Dark_Feanor said:

1- Yes, If I have to choose the primary reason it would be the price. What would you choose.

2- Yes, as long there is no major exclusive release in a week or so. That is what´s been happening in the last 6 weeks or so. That was the case the whole last generation. Only price and a massive bundle/exclusive change the "tide wave".

3- Some of them were, others were just trolls and console warriors doing their deads.

4- If PS4 is doing that good there is no reason to drop the price. They will drop the price if the gap closes.PS4 can´t be the best seller console of all time and need a price drop before the second year. Again the same thing happened last generation with the 360 and Wii.

  1. I would say its a combination of factors, including price. If at $400 (and yes for a while the XB1 was $400) the XB1 sold just as well or even better than the PS4 in NA then we could easily say its all about the price. But at a similar price point the PS4 was still selling over 30-50% more than the XB1. That right there is proof that price isn't everything. So its not just one thing, teher are a couple of primary reasons.

  2. You really need to stop bringing up last generation. Its not a good way to measure a consoles expected performance. Just look at the PS2 to PS3 or the wii to the wiiU. There is also something called momentum, mind share and word of mouth. For the first 6 months of the next year the PS4 is the console that will be getting the most press time (and momentum) cause it has more exclusives releasing in the fist half of the year than XB1. Also, anyone looking to get a console for games like the Witcher, MGS5, Batman...etc will more likely be getting it on the PS4. You have word of mouth to thank for that and the fact that the PS4 does run these gmaes better.

  3. Or some were just people making the most informed value based decision they could. There are some things that there is no point arguing about. The paltry reasons you are giving for why or how the PS4 has been successful doesn't explain how it has gone on to be the fastest selling console ever. If it weren't doing a lot right it wouldn't maintain that kinda momentum for as long as it has been. You should know this considering all it took to tarnish the xbox image was a bad press conference and policies that they didn't even go through with. 

  4. As Kaz himself has said, their focus with the PS4 is on expanding Marketshare. That means they are going to drop the price the first reasonable chance they get cause that is the best way to expand market share quickly. As it stands, sony is probably making around $30-$50 on a standalone PS4. By fall 2015 they could be in a position where they make $70-100 on every PS4. No matter how well they are selling, they of all people know they will sell even more if they dropped the price. And what you fail to see, is that marketshare is more important than profits made on hardware. If sony has a 16M year in 2014 and taking a loss of $10-20 per console sold gives them a 20M year in 2015, bes rest assured they wil drop that price in a heartbeat. Cause they can make that $20 loss back from selling one game to a new PS4 owner. Thats kinda how the console business works.

 

ohmylanta1003 said:


Anything's possible bro. No need in assuming that everyone that thinks it could eventually pass is dumb. I think it's honestly pretty ignorant to write it off as a possibility.

I am not writing it off as a possibility, just saying that 2 months or tthis point in time of the year is to small a reference point to suddenly warrant such threads. Thats why I said that they should at least wait until the part of the year that sony actually used to get the lead it currently has in norath america. Which is from January to october.