i was pointing out two of the 'success stories' of mobile. that is what financial success looks like for a mobile developer. spam, microtransactions and throwing poultry in various themes and guises. oh and massive job losses and perpetual instability. anyway your point about the wii is irrelevant. nintendo were the wii's gatekeepers, that system had as much crap as they allowed; they will hardly be in such a position if they enter they already oversaturated mobile market. sega has done it and is finding very little success--no-one's playing sonic instead of some other endless runner. and ultimately this idea that the cream will naturally rise is just silly. simogo for example makes brilliant mobile games, but they're as culty as, say, platinum when it comes to sales performance.. fact is angry birds and bejewled are the acs and cods of mobile, except not profitable and absolutely unsustainable. (i think down the line the annualization of ac and cod is also unsustainable, but that's a different matter.)

Why should it be impossible for Nintendo to integrate achievements from these unique achievement systems into a global one?

Everything Nintendo doesn't do (for whatever reason) seems to be an impossible task and gets a pass from most vocal Nintendo fans.

should have said it would be difficult to patch. as i said, though, many of the games have built-in achievements systems (smash bros., pikmin 3, wonderful 101, tropical freeze, 3d world) which it would be difficult to integrate into a single coherent universal sysem. i'm not giving them a pass, i was responding to a remark by someone else that nintendo fans want or demand achievements, and making the point that that's nowhere near the top of any nintendo fan's 'demands.' more games probably is, and more are coming.

1. no one knows

2. nothing

1) Thirdy party support. People want GTA, Far Cry, CoD, etc. And the kind of mature games that Sony and MS work with are highly markeatable. You see SM3DW and its ads have Mario dresses as a cute cat. You see CoD ads and it looks like a big blockbuster movie. It's like My Little Pony vs The Avengers movie. Nintendo market is oriented towards kids, but console gamer's average age is around 30. That means the dad will buy the console HE wants and just buy some games to his son. The choice? Get a PS4 or X1 with GTA, Far Cry, CoD, Lego and Skylanders. So why does 3DS sells? A handheld is a personal choice, only one person will use. So it's the kid that will choose it, as long as it is cheap (and it is). So we got the home console, one per holsehold, that the dad/older brother will choose and the handheld, that the kid can choose.

You have to be markeatable. You have to look "cool". That's something the PS4 masters and the X1 is decently good at. The Wii U is terrible in that. Right now, it's everyone against Nintendo. 3rd parties do heavy advertisement for their games and that's indirectly advertisement for PS$ and X1. If your X1 friend tells you that Far Cry is awesome, you go and buy it on your PS4. The only cases where this won't happen is with exclusives, but they are the minority.

Nintendo has a problem with their image. MS and Sony created a image of high tech, power, cool games, explosions, shooting... If you pay attention, is the same thing that is used in the blockbuster movies packed with special effects (in consoles, that would be the graphics). Nintendo has the image of family friendly, kiddie company. Someone can quote this and say "but how about Bayo, how about Devil's Third", but the final image of the company is that. And they don't seem much worried about changing it. They do a shooter and it actually is about shooting colorful painting with cute characters. This isn't markeatable outside of Japan. They look to be stuck in the Japanese "kawaii" culture that doesn't work in the west.

But first of all, Nintendo must get a reality check and really face it as an issue. They lost share, they need to check what's going on. But their current corporate culture doesn't look to see things this way.

2) This gen they can't do nothing. The Wii U has so much hardware issues. They should go to 3rd parties and start developing their next console with them, to rebuild these relationship. They will end up building a machine on par with PS5/next XBox.

You don't have to patch it. PS3 didn't launched with trophies and most launch games never received a patch for them. But the sooner you update your console with achievements, more games will use it.

If someone wants those games they would have bought a playstation or xbox anyway. This argument is flogged to death. Why would Nintendo want to impress 3rd parties when they make great hardware and great software? Why would they create a console to suit a 3rd party software developer. It's just as sensible to operate as they do.

Guess what: people went and bought PS4s and X1s, that's why Wii U isn't selling!! People are buying the competitors.

They aren't making great hardware. 3rd parties wanted RAM, more GPU power and they didn't gave any of it. And packed it with a CPU that is weaker than PS360 and is just a re-re-reshased GC CPU.

OK, I apologise, it's a big middle finger to MANY of us who have a Wii U already. It would signify that Nintendo are dropping real support for the controller. They wouldn't be able to build software with a central focus on the Gamepad anymore - it would have to be an optional sidefeature. Of course Nintendo have done that for many of their games - but that's been the problem! Nintendo's lack of support for the Gamepad has made the Gamepad seem redundant. Next year they're finally going to push the USP of their console properly, and show us what they can do with it.

I agree incidentally that Splatoon would be great with Wiimote & Nunchuk, though then again the HUD on the Gamepad will probably be invaluable

Isn't it not being used in pretty much of all of their main games in any big way enough of a middle finger?

In Mario Kart you can use it as a giant car horn. 

In DKC: Tropical Freeze the screen actually goes completely black, lol. 

Smash Brothers ... get a GameCube controller. 

Bayonetta 2 doesn't really use in any great way either. 

These are their four big releases this year. 

I think they should just make it optional and bundle it with Mario Maker as a seperate purchase. If you like tablet features, then you can always buy it as an optional accessorie if you didn't get it bundled. 

To me forcing everyone to have to pay a $80-$100 premium on the console for this controller when they just want to play some Nintendo games is silly. I could understand if the main Wii U games used it some major way but a lot of the games don't use it in any meaningful way at all.