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Kerotan on 28 November 2014
TheSpindler said:
NiKKoM said:
Why would Konami want to lose sales? Why can't they have a bundle and also be on the One? Dozens of games had bundles while being mulitplatform


Pretty much.  I can't see how this would benefit Konami, and I can't see Sony bothering with chasing it as an exclusive when they have the much bigger game, Fifa, selling well on their platforms.  Sony doesn't need PES.  

Yeah I agree with what someone else said here, maybe they should maybe make custom PES Wii U versions.  EA is done with Nintendo platforms pretty much.  I suppose they can approach Nintendo for some deals for Wii U and 3DS development.  They wont sell much, but it'd be Nintendo footing the bill anyway, and it may help Nintendo out in Europe....a bit.


because it would counter the Xbox fifa bundle (not like they really need to) and the gained sales from the PS4 bundle would be bigger than the sales it would get on the X1. 

PS4 outselling it 13-1 so that wouldn't be hard. That's a win for Konami plus they would have less dev costs. And SOny get a nice exclusive because PES is better than Fifa. 



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Darwinianevolution on 28 November 2014
Kerotan said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Kerotan said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Traditional sport games are the kind of games more profitable being multiplat. I'm still confused the lack of a port for the Wii U. Take the PS360 version, don't use the tablet thing and voilá. I'm sure it wouldn't be expensive at all.


it's sold 20,000 copies on X1 vs 260,000 copies on the PS4.

it's sold 30,000 copies on the 360 vs 200,000 on the PS3. 

Wii U sales would be horrible. At this point Konami would be better off trading Sony exclusivity in return for a 1 month bundle. 


As long as the production is cheap, low sales can make profits. And there is no FIFA to compete against.

Are you not listening to my wise words? They would gain more sales on the PS4 than they would lose from the X1. How hard is it to comprehend that's a net win. And PES is actually a better game than FIFA now it's just gone into relative obsecurity especially in the UK. A bundle would force it into a lot of new PS4 owners hands and they will discover that's actually a great game. (again). Please tell me you get this at last...


I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. Sony would rather make a bundle with FIFA, because it's a more recognised name.  Yes, the majority of PES players are PS owners, but PES isn't just as big as FIFA (i don't know the initial sales of FIFA, but I think they sold at least a million first week). Sony wouldn't want EA to get closer to the XBone as punishement for trying to make another football game more relevant on PS4. Also, FIFA has sold around 6 million units between FIFA 14-15. Those are some serious numbers.

In conclusion. FIFA would move more PS4s than PES, so they won't  deal with Konami for exclusivity, because EA is controlling the sports games as a monopoly.



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TheSpindler on 28 November 2014
Kerotan said:
TheSpindler said:
NiKKoM said:
Why would Konami want to lose sales? Why can't they have a bundle and also be on the One? Dozens of games had bundles while being mulitplatform


Pretty much.  I can't see how this would benefit Konami, and I can't see Sony bothering with chasing it as an exclusive when they have the much bigger game, Fifa, selling well on their platforms.  Sony doesn't need PES.  

Yeah I agree with what someone else said here, maybe they should maybe make custom PES Wii U versions.  EA is done with Nintendo platforms pretty much.  I suppose they can approach Nintendo for some deals for Wii U and 3DS development.  They wont sell much, but it'd be Nintendo footing the bill anyway, and it may help Nintendo out in Europe....a bit.


because it would counter the Xbox fifa bundle (not like they really need to) and the gained sales from the PS4 bundle would be bigger than the sales it would get on the X1. 

PS4 outselling it 13-1 so that wouldn't be hard. That's a win for Konami plus they would have less dev costs. And SOny get a nice exclusive because PES is better than Fifa. 


Sony doesn't need to counter anything though.  And if they do, they can offer a PES bundle, rather than going for an exclusive.  Besides, they're already doing phenomenally well in Europe, so they wouldn't need something like that in the first place.  Especially when more than likely PES will sell more on their platforms anyway(main markets for PES is EU and JA, Son'ys typically strongest markets).

I'm not sure limiting your audience would be a 'win' for Konami, and if it would be worth it.

"And SOny get a nice exclusive because PES is better than Fifa."

Well that is just your opinion though.  

I could see the bundle thing happening, but really, what's the point?  That FIFA XboxOne bundle exists because MS needs a good foothold in Europe and they have a strong relationship with EA atm trying to gain an upperhand on Sony.  Sony is already at the top, with those multiplat games selling best on PS4 anyway.






teigaga on 28 November 2014
Kerotan said:
teigaga said:
I think firstly they need to move as far away from Fifa as possible. The days of competition is over, they're just getting obliterated.

Secondly there would have to be a benefit regarding exclusivity. I think it could help rebrand the franchise and cause some commotion but otherwise being PS exclusive isn't going to offer them much, I'm sure porting to xbox isn't that costly.

i'm saying that the sales from a PS4/PS3 bundle would be higher than the total sales they get on the X1 and 360. Ya get me now? 

As in not an actual exclusive but just an exclusive bundle?

If they want to bundle they can do that with fifa without being exclusive to Sony.



Kerotan on 28 November 2014
TheSpindler said


Sony doesn't need to counter anything though.  And if they do, they can offer a PES bundle, rather than going for an exclusive.  Besides, they're already doing phenomenally well in Europe, so they wouldn't need something like that in the first place.  Especially when more than likely PES will sell more on their platforms anyway(main markets for PES is EU and JA, Son'ys typically strongest markets).

I'm not sure limiting your audience would be a 'win' for Konami, and if it would be worth it.

"And SOny get a nice exclusive because PES is better than Fifa."

Well that is just your opinion though.  

I could see the bundle thing happening, but really, what's the point?  That FIFA XboxOne bundle exists because MS needs a good foothold in Europe and they have a strong relationship with EA atm trying to gain an upperhand on Sony.  Sony is already at the top, with those multiplat games selling best on PS4 anyway.

the fifa bundle exists because MS payed a lot of money for it plus exclusive advertising. Sony didn't need to do anything because they dominate the EU and ROW where FIfa sells most. 

I'm just saying that a PES deal could work out for both and not cost either side. As pointed out the Xbox PES sales are so miserably low that it would be easy for a PS4 PES bundle to morew than make up the lost Xbox sales.

And the thing that will benefit SOny is getting it more sales with a bundle will give PES a much needed chance to get back into the mainstream. Right now it's a better game than Fifa so it's a good exclusive to have. 



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NintendoMonkey33 on 28 November 2014

Sounds like a good idea to me. The PS people will feel special since its an exclusive and more of them might buy it over FIFA. Sort of like the MLB The Show/ MLB 2K situation.



DraconianAC on 28 November 2014
Kerotan said:

Add this in for pro #4:

The bundle Sony gives in return for exclusivity gains them more sales than the Xbox will give them in total. 

This then nullifies your #1 and #2 con. 

More sales and the positive marketing nulifies #3 con. 

Thanks for the reply though you bring up some good points!


Sure I will do it, but I don't know how you could possibly be sure Sony will come on board and make a bundle for Konami. I also don't understand how a bundle equates 30k+ of sales of the software (excluding new Sony hardware launch/revisions). Could you please give me some examples of games similar to the popularity and position that PES is in inwhich Sony made a bundle and proved to sale 30k+ from the previous year?

Lets take a look at Sony's previous Gen 7 & 8 bundles. (from wikipedia)

  • PlayStation 3— Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, LittleBigPlanet (video game), God of War Collection, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Assassin's Creed III, God of War: Ascension Legacy, PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale, LittleBigPlanet Karting, The Last of Us, NHL '11, Infamous (video game), Grand Theft Auto V, NBA 2K14, MLB 14: The Show, Uncharted 3, Epic Mickey: The Power of Two, MotorStorm: Apocalypse, MotorStorm, NHL '14, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII-2 and (Demo disc) [8] [9]
  • PlayStation 4- Killzone: Shadow Fall, The Playroom, Knack "Destiny (video game)"[10]

Out of all those game, I think it is safe to say that only NHL 11 & 14, & NBA 2k14 could be used as compariable examples. (I dismissed 1st party exclusives because they will never be ported to the compitition unless Either Sony or MS go the way of Sega) MS bundles were not included because we are talking about the power of the console brand to boost a multiplatform title over 30K+. Assassin's Creed III is a toss up so I'll include it too.

From VGChart's numbers:

1. PS3 NHL 11 = 580K  While XB360 NHL 11 = 710k in 2010.

PS3 NHL 10 = 560k While XB360 NHL 10 = 650k in 2009.

2. PS3 NHL 14 = 430k While XB360 NHL 14 = 450k in 2014.

PS3 NHL 13 = 610k While XB360 NHL 13 = 620K in 2013.

3. PS3 NBA 2k14 = 1.83 million While XB360 NB 2k14 = 2.20 million in 2014

PS3 NBA 2k13 = 2.36 million While XB360 NB 2k14 = 2.88million in 2013

4. PS3 Assassin's Creed III = 6.10 Million While XB360 Assassin's Creed III = 4.98 million in 2012.

PS3 Assassin's Creed: Revelations = 4.16 Million While XB360 Assassin's Creed: Revelations = 4.08 in 2011.

Assassin's Creed could prove a valid point, but it's target market and market share is differet than PES. I would compare PES more to the NHL sport series, but the data is very inconclusive from my point of view. There really is no garrantee that Sony's brand can boost PES, and there is no garrantee that Sony would be willing to create a bundle for this game, since it's exclusivity to the PS4 doesn't not classify the title as a system seller; if you look at most of those titles bundled in the 7th and 8th generation consoles, it appears to me that Sony likes to bundle 1st party developer games & is rather picky for 3rd party titles.

I want to agree with you, but companies don't usually go by instinct, they do market analysis before tying its brand to 3rd party products.

-Edited the bying to tying...



Kerotan on 28 November 2014
NintendoMonkey33 said:
Sounds like a good idea to me. The PS people will feel special since its an exclusive and more of them might buy it over FIFA. Sort of like the MLB The Show/ MLB 2K situation.


Do they even make MLB 2K anymore? 



NintendoMonkey33 on 28 November 2014
Kerotan said:
NintendoMonkey33 said:
Sounds like a good idea to me. The PS people will feel special since its an exclusive and more of them might buy it over FIFA. Sort of like the MLB The Show/ MLB 2K situation.


Do they even make MLB 2K anymore? 

I think they took a one year break. 



V-r0cK on 28 November 2014

If becoming exclusive can guarantee more sales to balance the loss of sales from multiplatform then they should definitely do it. It's more beneficial for devs to just focus on one platform and can optimize its fullest potential.

If they do actually become exclusive then that'd be pretty sweet for Playstation to have an exclusive Soccer game to go in line with their other sports exclusive ie. MLB The Show. (Sony did have their own NBA game once)