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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 22nd of November 2014

MoHasanie on 26 November 2014

Wow, PS4 looks more and more impressive every week!
X1 doing good too.



    

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veritaz on 26 November 2014

Those sales are crazy. Black Friday sales are going to be amazing.



kristianity77 on 26 November 2014
Samus Aran said:
kristianity77 said:
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I really can't understand the hype and sales for PS4. It's like gamers don't actually care about the most important thing... Games.

Now don't get me wrong, PS4 will end up with many great games during its lifetime (a lot of them will even be exclusive), but that isn't the case right now. Most games available now are also on the PS3. I guess that disproves the myth that graphics don't matter. Obviously they're super important for the majority of the gamers.


So much wrong with this comment I dont know where to start.  In the last couple of weeks alone we have had Far Cry 4, Dragon Age, GTA V.  Of course graphics matter.  If they didn't we would all still be playing on PS1s and PS2s and earlier.

All of the above games are available on PS3 you are indeed correct.  But none of them play as well on the older systems, nor look as good, nor run as nicely.  So obviously people are going to buy these games on the new systems.  Its common sense.

And to suggest that the PS4 doesn't have any games right now is absurd.  I've got about 20 physical releases and about a dozen digital titles which suggest otherwise.  There might not be many games to your individual taste, granted.  But to suggest there isn't any is just plain ignorant.  

Also, 15 million sales seem to dictate that people on a whole, disagree with you also.

Sales say nothing about quality though. Unless you think Justin Bieber rivals Beethoven in musical talent. That's my whole point, these games are all on the older gen systems and run just fine there! This might just be me, but I only upgrade to a new console when there are exclusive (to that specific gen) games out on it. 


Yes but thats still not really valid.  Thats the same as trying to convince someone who has a massively souped up PC that they are getting the same experience as someone else who is running the game on a knackered old PC held together by 10 year old dust.  Its not the same though is it.  The games play better on the new consoles, thats not an opinion, its fact. 

Pretty bad analogy as a 10 year old PC wouldn't be able to run the most modern games coming out. Oh well, I'll be patiently awaiting the first good exclusives for a PS4, that will be the main reason why I'll eventually buy a PS4. First party games made by Sony and Nintendo just stand out to me compared to the third party studios (with their annual releases, broken games at launch and what not). 


Well it wasn't really a bad analogy as the older consoles later in their lifespan couldn't really run the games as the developers had in mind either.  And the games being released cross gen at the moment look night and day different on each platform (IE Far Cry, Mordor, Dragon Age).

My point was, whilst the games are available on older systems they are in no way more fun when features are stripped out, graphics are massively toned back and your constantly fighting dodgy frame rates and screen tear because games are too ambitious these days to properly run on 2005 specifications.



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PS4 - 34M - XB1 - 21m - WII U -12M

TheBlackNaruto on 26 November 2014
Samus Aran said:

Pretty bad analogy as a 10 year old PC wouldn't be able to run the most modern games coming out. Oh well, I'll be patiently awaiting the first good exclusives for a PS4, that will be the main reason why I'll eventually buy a PS4. First party games made by Sony and Nintendo just stand out to me compared to the third party studios (with their annual releases, broken games at launch and what not). 


Infamous SS, Resogun and KZ:SF(just 3 off the top of my head)say hi seeing as they are "good exclusives" now if you were to say the exclusives you prefer that would be different.

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Wow CRAZY numbers for PS4 seems high to me but amazing none the less!

Very good XB1 numbers as well! Holding strong in the US keep it up!

Wii U greater than 100k finally! Nice boost there as well.

Everything else is meh or holding good.



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colafitte on 26 November 2014
NewGuy said:
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Aerys said:
Ok now, 20,2M at the end of year ils confirmed


I'm starting to think that even 20m will be below real sales in the end....


Sony expects to ship 9.4 million PS3s + PS4s from Oct 1st 2014 until Mar 31st 2015. I think they will either sabotage themselves (hold shipments for next FY, as they've done in the past) or go over their FY forecast by 1-2+ million. 

One advice: DON'T TRUST SONY SHIPMENTS PROJECTIONS EVER. They're awful, not only with PS4.


Can't remember a time when sony shipped over their projections though. Even one time when they clearly were going to, but held back shipments for the next FY.


Lol, you can't'???. You have to revisit every Sony forecast from last year. They always screw badly their projections over or under the final number with every product. One example...., they said a year ago, just when PS4 launched that they expected 5m SHIPPED for March 2014, and they ended SELLING more than 7m.



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OfficerRaichu15 on 26 November 2014

so wiiu
did 86k in US
should do 150k or more this week hopefully
eu should also get a nice boost this week as well



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thelalaby on 26 November 2014
kowenicki said:
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Xbox was down last week actually.  So, sorry, but no this isnt believable.

In any case, I dont care what happened last week... look at the software chart.  The Xbox ONE will have had a boost bigger than the WiiU this week.  No question about it. 


I'm aware Xbone dropped slightly last week, but this does not affect my argument at all. Its slight decrease was because the effect from Halo was not enough to counter the drop from COD bundles, but nevertheless it helped sustain it, otherwise it would have dropped much more notably (logically speaking).

Wii U's increase might be bigger percentage wise (by 1% lol), but let's not forget that it only increased 1k week-over-week... that's a pitiful number, and totally logical. I don't know if Xbone is undertracked or not, but WIi U's increase proves absolutely nothing imo.

A usual seasonal boost plus GTA of 17%?  no,  its wrong. 

We will see, but I am sure I am right on this.


I would agree with you if Xbone didn't have huge bundles and titles released over the past three weeks, raising sales to a higher-than-usual level. I'm curious, why are you neglecting the fact that sales were boosted last week in particular by Halo bundles and the effect of that on this week's numbers?

Once again.... they were down last week.

The previous week the boost was less than the ps4 had.  The big boost previous to that was actually a low absolute number as the starting point was low.

 

And once again, just because it was down last week, it doesn't mean its drop wasn't lessened by the Halo bundles. With a huge drop in Halo bundle sales this week, GTA V, Far Cry 4 and Dragon Age more than made up for the difference and gave it a 18% increase. It seems rather reasonable with everything considered IMO.

Anyway, we could agree to disagree I guess.



colafitte on 26 November 2014
OfficerRaichu15 said:
so wiiu
did 86k in US
should do 150k or more this week hopefully
eu should also get a nice boost this week as well


Nintendo just need to accept as soon as possible that WiiU is considered a second purchase console, at best, and price it accordingly. More of 250$ is too much when most people are expecting to spent their money on PS4/XBO or better PC's...., WiiU should be a cheap alternative to PS4/XBO with a price under 200$ in my opinion.



Burek on 26 November 2014
vivster said:
Burek said:
Only 20K behind in the US, but I suspect the effects of XOne October overtracking are still in effect. Even if correct, PS4 pulling great numbers without any deals.
Still very possible to take November NPD once the BF bundle deals kick in.

I'm skeptical.
PS4 would need at least 200k lead on BF. Possible though.

Of course, it is a steep hill to climb. But also impressive that the possibility still exists after XOne's "all-in" strategy.

I do believe, with no proof other than October's XOne overtrack of 20%, that the overtrack carried over to November, and that the difference is much less than VGC's 185K. Even if the overtrack is only 10%, it is still almost 70K. And 100-120K is doable, if we consider many holding off from buying PS4+GTA this week in anticipation of the bundle. 



kopstudent89 on 26 November 2014

I smell some 3DS undertracking